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    12-09-2008, 10:52 AM
In my humble opinion it sounds like he's just feeling good and lacking ground manners. I had the same thing happen with my Qh's. I didn't have much of an issue when they were haltered and on lead...They would basically do what I asked. But, at liberty or having to catch them would often times be a Pain in the butt. ( I walked softly but carried a *medium sized stick ) Literally, I carried a stick, Never did I have to use it other than to just poke them in the butt once or twice to get them to move over. I would try carrying a crop of your choice ( I really just used a stick). Think of it as an extension of your arm to help direct the horse and keep him where you need him. Placing it on his chest and requesting him to back works great, mine didn't like the stick touching them and eventually, I didn't have to carry it. I would always use a verbal command along with a regular command. Never did I allow "gate rushing" I would wait outside the gate until they were bored with me or would back up like gentlemen.

Time and Patience... Keep a cool head and if what you are doing isn't working, it's because the horse doesn't understand the cue or command. I try to keep every thing as simple as possible. EHHT! Means no, I don't like that. BACK! Is just that. Back up. I probably say those two things the most besides ( I love you and you're a goooood boy..lol

You're safety is #1. Keep that in mind and I wish you the very best of luck!
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    12-09-2008, 11:46 AM
Thanks Dumas! I'll try carrying a crop.

I'm also going to bring up rice bran down to 1 lb; I don't know that he needs 1.5.

I'm also going to pay close attention to the weather/his attitude. Even when he was zoomy when I first got him, he wasn't tossing his head at the bridle like he is now.
    12-09-2008, 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by missy06    
I'm also going to pay close attention to the weather/his attitude. Even when he was zoomy when I first got him, he wasn't tossing his head at the bridle like he is now.
When were his teeth last looked at?

Wind, sleet hitting a barn roof or snow sliding off the barn roof can send the best behaved horse into a panic. All they want is to get out of the barn.

If I find that one of mine is being a total jerk I work them on a lunge line. It's safer for both of us. They get to burn off some steam and I'm out of harms way. Then we'll get down to riding.

A couple of years ago we took in a starved pony. She was a total mook until she gained all her weight back. She's still a sweetie but a sweetie with attitude!

If he's gained his weight back I would cut out the extra's or reduce the amount and just give hay. You'll know within a week or two if it makes a difference.
    12-09-2008, 01:58 PM
I, too, think that he may be acting like this because he hasn't been feeling this good in a while, plus the cruddy weather makes 'em more hyper, and he might be lacking some ground manners.
Um...I guess I'd say to try working some ground manner exercises into the lessons. Simple walk-halt, halt-walk tansitions as well as turning and backing up (this has worked miracle for my super-pushy TB mare).
I can totally sympathize with the weather equaling a hyper horse thing! I live in the UP of Michigan, and when the weather gets bad, my Arab/App mare tends to totally lose it! The storm we (apparently you did, too) had this past weekend made her totally come unhinged. She attacked our dog (who is normally her very BEST buddy), attempted to buck me off numerous times, and was simply a total and complete brat.
He might benefit from some extra exercise, like lunging, or something before you ride along with some ground work. That way he can burn off energy on the line, but also get control of himself and start to think.
That's all I've got...
I hope he goes back to normal soon! =)
    12-09-2008, 03:54 PM
Thanks CallieMae and GK.

I don't know when the last time his teeth were looked at, but I'll ask his owner.

I do need to get a lunge line for him. Before I got him, he wasn't being ridden hardly ever and they said they needed to lunge him for 20 minutes ((&^$()&!) before riding. Especially with the weather as it has been, he should learn to lunge in the barn and not be a freak show about it
    12-09-2008, 04:39 PM
I just rememberd that my friend had the same problem you are having. She bought a mare and she was really under weight and she looked like crap and her head looked to small for her body thatts how underweight she was. She was super sweet and nice and by the time she got up to a regular weight she was a nightmare! I remember one time my friend needed help washing her legs off and I was holding her and then she decided to charge out of the washing rack and literally drug me and my friend out ofthe barn.

With that said I would just do alot of ground work stuff and a crop is a good idea. Just make him listen on the ground and then work back into the saddle and make him mind in the saddle.
    12-09-2008, 07:58 PM
Rice bran does not make horses hot. It is a weight builder.
I agree with iridehorses, it could also be that now he is at a good weight he is coming into himself.
    12-09-2008, 09:32 PM
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Sweetpea was about 250 lbs underweight when I got him. He put on weight and got healthy and I remember when he acted out it was pretty "sudden". He felt good and he let me know it. I think part of it is the weather and part of it is he is feeling good. Although you always have to go through the potential health issues, sore back, teeth, etc. But my geuss would be weather and health.....
    12-10-2008, 06:28 AM
Rice bran wont heat a horse up. My wb is extra sensitive to hot feeds and all he needs is a sniff of them and he's taking a ride on the stupid train. Rice bran and beet pulp don't effect him in the slightest. They are both cool based feeds and I personally havent seen them make any horse hot. My horses get the maximum amount suggested and sometimes a bit more depending on how much grass is in the paddocks and not once has it made them hot. Cool feeds are cool feeds for a reason.

If you are having trouble keeping weight on I would look into a supplement or oil or soemthing else high in cool fat to help with the weight. And heaps and heaps of good quality grass and hay will always help :)
    12-10-2008, 06:30 AM
Originally Posted by missy06    
Thanks Dumas! I'll try carrying a crop.

I'm also going to bring up rice bran down to 1 lb; I don't know that he needs 1.5.

I'm also going to pay close attention to the weather/his attitude. Even when he was zoomy when I first got him, he wasn't tossing his head at the bridle like he is now.

I didnt read this before. I replied too quick lol if he is tossing his head at the bridle then maybe you should look at his teeth. That would explain both the weight and his attitude ;)

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