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        11-03-2011, 05:38 PM
    What happened? Out of the blue!

    I got thrown from my horse day before yesterday. Concussion with an ankle sprain....had to keep me overnight in the hospital for observation. Now I bought Cisco two years ago, he's a 16 year old quarter horse morgan. He's always been very pushy and disrespectful on the ground but always been very good under saddle...never a bad incident at all ...very sound.
    Last week we were riding the road and he spooked and threw me but stayed by my side til I got back on him. This time, we were just quietly walking on the road and out of nowhere he started bucking and rearing. I held on for awhile but finally flew off. My girlfriends tell me he kept doing the same thing even after I was off. I don't know what got into him. The rest of the horses were fine, no spook. I just can't figure it out if it's just a fluke that it happened twice in a row or not a coincedence at all. What do you think?

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        11-03-2011, 05:45 PM
    Is it possible he could have gotten stung by a bee/wasp/some sort of insect? If he kept doing it after you were off, makes me think he was in some sort of pain/shock about something.
        11-03-2011, 06:59 PM
    I agree. It sounds like a pain issue. You might want to get his back checked, too. Was he pawing at the ground at all that day? That's sometimes a sign that there is a problem. If it was a bug, then, well you can't really do anything about that kind of thing.
        11-03-2011, 07:51 PM
    I'm thinking bee sting. They have been awful this year.
        11-03-2011, 08:07 PM
    Pain, Im guessing. A bug bite, back problems, feet problems, un-fitting saddle, the possibilities are endless.
        11-03-2011, 11:06 PM
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    Well, it could be a pain or a bee ---- But I am betting on it being a successful attempt to get you off and get out of work. The first time may have been a legitimate spook. It taught it that it could dump you and get away with it. If he bucked and reared, I would guess you were riding in a very apprehensive manner and possibly holding the horse on a pretty tight rein that he resented.

    I would try to find someone that could ride this horse hard a few times and see if he will ride right with a confident rider. He may be more horse than you can handle and be comfortable on.

    One thing is sure. This behavior has worked for him and will be a habit now and the behavior will escalate. Look for more and worse problems in the future if you do nothing to fix it.
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        11-03-2011, 11:30 PM
    Cherie, it sounds like you're right on the money! I bet you're right in that he thinks he can get a way with it now. I will call a trainer tomorrow and see if she can figure it out for me and what it will take to fix it. I'll keep in touch. Sue
        11-04-2011, 09:42 AM
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    Its alot easier and safer to work a horse on the ground. Sounds like you skipped a whole bunch of training. If he doesnt respect you when you are on the ground and can exert way more control he isnt respecting you when you are on him he has just been tolerating you. Even in if he has been stung I would expect the horses reaction to get himself AND you away from danger. I guess I look at my horse as a team. I am the leader but I am perfectly willing to take his advice on occasion. He does the same to me. Even though he sees danger or feels pain he has faith in me to lead him to safety. Or the danger he sees isnt danger if I say it is ok. This horse doesnt seem to have any respect for you.
    I really enjoyed Julie Goodnights basic ground leader ship DVD.
        11-04-2011, 10:31 AM
    When a horse is disrespectful and pushy on the ground it is only a matter of time before they become disrespectful and pushy in the saddle. Many novice riders are a bit oblivious to what thier horse is doing when they are on its back as long as the horse is going in the right general direction and about the right speed. Problems like this don't just appear, they happen incrementally over a period of time until they reach a point that can't be ignored.

    When I take a horse for training I work on ground manners before I ever ride the horse because they don't differentiate between riding and leading. If a horse is light and following your feel on the ground then the horse will be light and following your feel in the saddle. Almost every horse will lead just how they ride. If the horse is high-strung and super sensitive or lead-footed and hesitant or calm and willing, you can expect that once you get astride of them.
        11-04-2011, 11:12 AM
    After an incident like that I would work him hard. Yah, it could have been a bug, or the saddle pinching, but what he did was dangerous! A bug isn't going to kill him, but a crazed horse could kill you. Take all the steps to make sure it wasn't the tack, get him checked. But I want my horse to be calm and submissive even if they are in pain. Not that I want them to be in pain, but I don't want them to be a loose cannon just waiting to go off if they get stung or pinched. The horse needs enough respect for you that if something happens they arn't dangerous. In return you do your best to make sure they aren't in pain.

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