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    02-11-2010, 12:35 AM
  #11
Trained
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Originally Posted by kiwigirl    
Just a very minor miss out in the grand scheme of things. At the end of last month I had the opportunity to attend my very first horse clinic, it was Buck Branaman doing a three day clinic. I was so excited. I booked and paid for the full three days. I made it the first day but when I got up the next day I discovered that my three year old daughter had the chicken pox so I never made it to the rest of the clinic. Oh well.
that would have broken my heart! How did you like the day that you were there?
     
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    02-11-2010, 01:12 AM
  #12
Trained
*sigh* - Where I live there are pretty much no opportunities. Especially in my area of interest - ASH events and cow work. We get no clinics, we have no BNT (The closest campdraft trainer is about 45 minutes out of town and is swamped with work) and we don't have as good a working student/apprentice/intern system as you guys have.

It's what torments me - I love living here but it is NOT the best place to be to advance my riding/training/knowledge.
     
    02-11-2010, 02:05 AM
  #13
Yearling
I went to Florida (18 hours away) for a working student position under a grand prix trainer. It didn't fit me, and at that point I was done with horses. I was selling everything off except my gelding, a saddle and a bridle, and I was going to be done. Then, I went to Pensacola for a bit, to rest and recover. The place worked me so hard, I could barely walk in the morning.

It took me a good 15 minutes to gain semi-mobility when I rose, and my ankles hurt for MONTHS after that. I went to a chiro after that, and he saw my ankle (i have no arch anyway) and put me on some pretty hardcore archsupports and told me I absolutely had to wear lace ups for support, or I was looking at surgery in 5 years. Either way, when I was in the WS position, I lost 22 pounds in a mere 30 days. Needless to say, I was sour.

The people in Pensacola, who banded together so quickly and pulled together their every resource to try and find a place for us to put our horses was exactly what I needed at that time, and that gave me a sense of sanity, and the will to move on.

However, the trainer I take lessons from isn't busy enough for me to come and help - though he has said he would if he had the clients, but everyone is slow around here.

What I'd kill for more than anything is a western pleasure internship that wasn't with a BNT, but someone on a smaller scale who still held credentials.

QuickEdit: I've had the opportunities to ride with Lynn Palm, observe countless clinicians and gain inside advice from the best. They might seem really closed up about their techniques, but I've found if you approach them with a /good/ question that makes them think and shows them you've been thinking too, they're really eager to give you information/advice. I've also gotten some really flattering comments from these great horse people, and it's encouraging.
     
    02-11-2010, 02:21 AM
  #14
Trained
PaintsPwn, if you don't mind who was the trainer in Fla? I'm assuming it's GP dressage. (you can PM me)
I know a lot of working student positions end up that way (especially in Europe!), which really sucks!!!
     
    02-11-2010, 02:45 AM
  #15
Yearling
God my posts have been horrible organized.. My mind just isn't awake...

PM'ed ya ;D
     
    02-13-2010, 04:28 PM
  #16
Yearling
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
that would have broken my heart! How did you like the day that you were there?
It was a good day. Sadly, just enough to wet my appetite. Buck certainly knows his ****. I would definitely like to be in a position to take my horse one day. At $700 a day though, it is something I am really going to have to plan for.

A lot of Buck's teaching was done by feel, he would set a task for the riders then watch them. When a horse and rider accomplished the task he would then explain what they should be feeling, how the horse moved etc. This would be great on a horse but not quite so easy to imagine sitting on the bleachers. There was one really important point that I took home from my one day. Buck said he treats the horses legs and feet like his own when he is riding. He wants to be able to move and place each foot of the horse exactly like it is his own foot, that is the level of control to expect. That is what I am aspiring to, it is a very valid point of view I think.
     
    02-14-2010, 03:59 PM
  #17
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by ReiningTrainer    
Just one. Missed the opportunity to ride with the Lipizzaner Stallions for a summer when I was a teenager. Not my choice though, my parents wanted me to go to college and they thought if I did this I would never go to college. We will never know.

Is it too late now? I had a friend who rode with them when she was about 28 or 29 or so. Several years after college. If it makes you feel any better she didn't love it and was happy to quit.
     
    02-14-2010, 04:01 PM
  #18
Green Broke
I've been able to spend some time with John and Beezie Madden down in Florida. It's been pretty amazing.
     
    02-14-2010, 11:30 PM
  #19
Weanling
I missed out on the opportunity to work as a working student/train with Ruth Hogan Poulsen in VT. I was pregnant when she contacted me on yardandgroom.com. It was a really horrible time for me, but she was very patient and told me I could come out any time, whenever I was ready. I ended up placing my daughter for adoption and I was just a mess. It probably would have been just what I needed mentally, but I passed on the opportunity. I still talk to her on occasion and I've expressed that I still want to do it at some point. She still says I'm welcome whenever I'm ready... so I guess it isn't a miss, but my life has branched out into several commitments, including my boyfriend who I live with and will probably marry. I'm in Wisconsin, and Vermont is pretty far from me. It would be a strain on my life right now, which really sucks.

BUT, I'm thankful for everything that has happened to me in life. I'm extremely happy now, and all of the crap wasn't in vain.


As for things I've experienced-- I've had many. I trained under an extremely bi-polar woman. I learned a lot, but she pretty much made that adoption situation a very difficult one in many ways. When I took leave to have my daughter, she had to hire two people to make up for all of my work. Basically she just talked crap about me and my horse and my decision. She'd come down to the barn one day and be super happy and nice, and the next she wouldn't talk to you for an entire week... nice. Very stressful.

I also went down to manage a 48 head farm in the south. It was extremely dysfunctional. I was doing all of the barn chores, teaching lessons full time, treating the many injuries that happened.... ugh. The place was a mess when I got there, and I did a lot of landscaping, repairs, trained many horses to fix their problems...... oh man I worked my arse off. The BO had only been in contact with horses for 5 years total, and she didn't know nearly as much as a person owning a 48 head facility should know. All of the lesson horses were in harsh correction bits, saddles that didn't fit, omg I could go on and on and on. I had my horse there with me, and when I decided to throw in the towel and leave, they stopped feeding her at all. They separated her from all of the other horses completely. She was attacked by coyotes several nights in a row, I'd move her and they'd move her back. It was awful. I didn't get paid but a total of $300. I'm still owed about 2500. I filed a complaint with the state, and she sent back a rebuttal saying I was fired (I quit) on september 1st and left that day (I quit September 20th, left October 4th), that I intentionally harmed horses (actually all of the crap laying around harmed the horses, and the blatant inability to understand horses and how things work), that I stole money (HAH! I watched her hand the $400 in advance lesson money to the hay guy), etc. Oh man that place was terrible.


Out of all of the bizarre places I've worked, and all of the crazy lesson students I've had, I've learned so much about the industry and what its like. I've been a vet assistant, a trainer, a student, a lesson instructor, a farm manager, a saddle fitter, a business owner, man it's been a long road. I've seen some amazing things though that totally trump the bad, and for that I'm thankful.
     
    02-14-2010, 11:48 PM
  #20
Yearling
I just began working at the biggest show barn in the province. I get tons or expierence,$300 a month and a place to board my horse.
     

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