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post #21 of 23 Old 03-16-2011, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by upnover View Post
Excellent post Kayty! I don't agree when people throw on a gadget and expect it to be a quick and effective fix without proper training/riding to go with it. But in some cases "gadgets" can be quite helpful. Sure, in a perfect world every rider would work their horse perfectly to get the correct muscle build... but as much as some of my beginner students try, it's simply not going to happen. Maybe someday, but not yet. Does that mean that the horse shouldn't get worked properly? No. The Pessoa system can be a great way to build up correct muscles until they learn to do it themselves.

And MIE had another excellent post. Sometimes it just isn't possible to ride to ride a horse that day. I like the system better then side reins and it's much better then running the horse around a lunge line with nothing. I've seen plenty of horses go quite happily in this rig.
as an aside, i've found my more well trained horses (farther along in their training) will longe stretching and reaching without side reins or even a bridle when they have been worked with regularly and properly both u/s and on the longe. just makes me feel like the message of stretching and driving from behind has been retained by the horse because then when i take away all gadgets/tools/training aids other than a halter, longe, and my voice and body signals, the horse is still reaching and seeking out a contact even w/o a bit. good stuff :)

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post #22 of 23 Old 03-16-2011, 11:27 PM
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JustDressageIt - that 2nd vid is a wonderful example of a false frame. the horse is tight in their throatlatch, lacking the relaxtion to truly stretch and reach and engage the hind end, and is disconnecting energy just behind the withers. the hind is tracking up but the energy stops there as the horse braces their neck and jaw. this results in the horse slightly behind the bit, the lack of full range of shoulder motion, and the misperception that the horse (who may be clipping their front with their hind) is overreaching due to hind engagement when in reality the horse is clipping because they lack freedom and full reach from the shoulder through the neck and poll. imo in that vid the lines need to be looser and the horse needs to stretch and reach for the contact rather than brace and false frame against it.

i find side reins easier (less complicated) to use bc i can simply make them loose enough that just the weight/motion of the reins on the bit as the horse moves encourages them to stretch without causing bracing while they are too long to make the horse false frame or duck. i prefer a horse slightly above the bit moving forward than one slightly behing where the energy block occurs just behind the withers.

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post #23 of 23 Old 12-16-2011, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Kayty View Post
SP, once again, there are rollers on the ropes which prevent it from seesawing. Have you actually seen one in use in real life, rather than just reading or looking at drawings?
Because I have seen a Pessoa system used a number of times, and I can tell you from an eyewitness view, that the system ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT 'yank and pull the horses everywhere making it more confused'. The horses that I have seen travelling in a Pessoa system, have gone very sweetly and happily, there was no see sawing action to be seen, the horse can easily raise it's head but the system merely encourages the horse to stretch over the back.
It is a far more user friendly system than side reins, which are a great lunging tool if used in knowledgable hands, as the bum rope is encouraging the horse to engage its hind legs rather than needing the lunger to concentrate soley on the hind legs when in side reins to prevent the horse leaning and falling onto the forehand. The Pessoa also prevents the horse being able to lean against a solid contact, but still gives a constant contact so that it is not being hit in the mouth at every stride.

If the rollers were not on the system, then YES it would be see sawing, but because the rollers are there, as I explained in my previous post, they take the motion of the hind legs moving and allow the contact to the bit to remain steady.

No I do not use the system, I don't feel the need to but I can definitely see its benefit.
I'm currently having to remouth my mare after the breakers used a pessoa on her. Prior to being broken she had been lunged with side reins and had a beautiful mouth, worked beautifully on the lunge, active and soft.

She now has a terrible fussy mouth and I watched the Pessoa in action and the while the pulleys absorb some of the motion they don't absorb it all and the action with the movement of the hind legs is to see saw the head down.

I'm now off to continue working my horse on the lunge in side reins to try and correct the damage done by the Pessoa.
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