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post #21 of 36 Old 02-23-2009, 08:29 PM
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one thing that I did notice about both Montana and Vega is that, if I took up rein contact while I was mounting, there was a greater chance for them to walk off when I got on.
So what I started doing was grab near the buckle, have my had on the reins and then hold onto the pommel (of an english saddle) and gently get on. It has worked every time (unless they are really frisky, but a quick "whoa" and sometimes a squeeze on the reins is all I need. And if they do that, I'll wait a bit longer and really get situated before I tell them its ok to go.

I would experiment with a few different things to see which she and you like better.
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post #22 of 36 Old 02-23-2009, 09:23 PM
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Chucky use to be a shocker to mount!!!! To teach him to stand still i flexed his nose to my toes while i was getting on. If her moved in a circle i would wait for a few steps, if her kept going i would use voice command, and if he still kept going in a circle i would give him a wack on the shoulder. He eventually learned to stand still and now he is easy to get on. However, he has been sick so i havent riden him in about 6 months. I can start riding him again in a few weeks so ill have to start all over again with everything!!!! ugh!!! and he started off with so many bad habbits!!! Hopefully he has forgotten most of them!! lol oh well!
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One tip for you, as a rider, is to settle in your saddle and ALWAYS hesitate a moment before you ask your horse to move off. It teaches them to wait for you to cue them.

In the mean time, practice, practice, practice, getting off and on, without going anywhere. If he walks off before you cue him, make him work hard. Circles, yields and backing up, then stop, wait, dismount, and try again. He'll get the point,eventually, but you will both be tired if he's stubborn. Initially you may even have someone hold him while you mount, and then work to having them just standing there, then to going farther away, while you mount/dismount and he stands. If he makes a mistake, go back to the step that worked just previous. Also, make a habit to sometimes mount and dismount without going anywhere. Lead him somewhere else, mount, wait a minute, then ride.

Something I alwasy do when I mount up, besides hesitate before I ask for movement, but right after that, I always ask my horse to yield his head to either side once or twice each, more if he isn't soft, and yield his hindquarters over. This is the foundation for an emergency stop, and it's a little reminder for your horse. A sort of "checking your mirrors before starting the engine". The younger or more energetic the horse, the more diligent I am in this. It also supples them for the ride, a limbers them up, and seems to put them in the "working" mind frame.

At the end of the ride, when he's most tired is a good time to work on this, as well. He's more willing to stand still. Get off/on a few times before you put him up. Reinforce his lesson!

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post #24 of 36 Old 02-25-2009, 10:44 AM
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I agree with barefoothooves. I was very diligent about this with Walka, and have had zero issues with mounting. I got a bit slack with T and had to go back and reinforce prior training. All is good now. It all comes down to that simple saying, make the right thing easy and the wrong choice difficult. They catch on very quickly.
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post #25 of 36 Old 02-25-2009, 11:19 AM
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When I first got Lui he would move off before my bum was in the saddle, simply because that's what he'd done before. I hate that though, I like to get my self settled, stirrups and reins sorted, before the horse moves off, so what I did was simply stopped him and backed him up, right back to the mounting block, sat there quietly for a moment or two, then let him move off. It didn't take many repetitions for him to learn that it wasn't what I wanted and actually there was no point in moving off as it didn't get him anywhere!

I taught this to Kira right from the start - before I even introduced her to tack I would make her stand next to the mounting block and praise her lots for standing quietly. When I first introduced her to tack, and before I ever got on her, I'd get her to stand there with me on the block jumping up and down!

She's an impatient little madam at the best of times and doesn't like standing still - she'd much rather get on the road - but she DOES stand still, both to be mounted and once I'm on board and waits for me to tell her to move.
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Thanks again everyone for all your suggestions!

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Usually Spirithorse I disagree with you. I think you're finding so much resistance here because when you follow Parelli with only his explanations, it's hard to explain it to people who don't understand. I'm not saying he's wrong, just trying to look at what you're doing and why--and come up with reasons for it that have NOTHING to do with Parelli's catchphrases and tidbits.

But, I too use Parelli's method of mounting. I've never seen it not work, on young, old, and problem horses (ones that would bolt when you put your foot in the stirrup).

You flop the fender on the horse only the first few times, to see if you get a reaction. Someone said, 'have YOU ever seen a broke horse that reacts to the fenders flopping around?' ...Yes I have. Most trainers put the saddle on the horse, and then DON'T make it loud or scary because they don't want to associate the saddle with scary things. Start doing this with broke horses, and you'll see what I mean. ;) You walk up to the fender and make it loud and flopping and annoying and scary--most horses aren't confident about the saddle (This is why they squirm when you saddle them! Just because they let you do it doesn't mean they are confident about it.) Most horses will move away from the fender because that Thing on their back is making nose.

When the horse stops, you stop. These teaches the horse that there is a way to find relief--when he stands still, despite what's going on. So then you move into the position you'd mount from without lifting your leg into the stirrup. If the horse moves off... he's not confident about you getting on, or every time you've gotten on you've asked him to move off right away. Every time your horse walks off, take a step back, stop him kindly, then start again. Don't let your horse just mindlessly walk away, but you don't hold him in place. Holding him doesn't teach him to stand still just like holding a child up doesn't teach him to walk on his own. You cannot support him.

Once you get past that, then you put your foot in the stirrup. If the horse wants to walk off, circle him with your foot in the stirrup. When he stops, take your foot out and praise. Then try it again. Then you move to jumping up and down beside the horse (This is when most horses will walk off, because now they KNOW you are getting on). So you hop and follow your horse, and when he stops, you take your foot out. This is the classic technique of approach and retreat. Since most trainers DONT do this with their babies when they break them... a lot of horses are unconfident about mounting.

When you can jump up, you lay on the saddle halfway. If the horse is still, you get on. If he's not, you ask him to stop then you get off.

This has never taken me very long with any horse. A huge thing to remember is when you finally DO get on... don't just walk off! Sit in the saddle, pet your horse, and remind him that you getting on does not mean just walk off.

Horses learn this much better then 'hold your reins tighter as you get on', because you're teaching him to stand still rather then holding him there. I can get on my horses without any rein contact, but it is always smart to make sure they are not droopy just in case they get spooked. :)

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post #28 of 36 Old 02-28-2009, 08:15 PM
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Mayfieldk, I don't believe that is just a Parelli method. John Lyons also uses that method, as that is how Walka was taught and I used JL methods. Great trainers think alike!
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I know, it's more of a 'natural horsemanship' thing, but spirithorse does parelli as well and there were many parelli catchphrases in her posts. I'm not just harping on him; it's just that the catchphrases make non-parelli people go 'what in the world are you talking about?!' s'all. :)

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as you know gracie i only have dial up at the moment while im waiting for broadband to get set up so i havent taken the three hours needed to load each page of this thread to read all the replies.

my method is backing them up. if they move when i try to get on i will back them up. and not just slowly but they have to back up at a reasonable rate. then i stop, move them back to where we started from and try again. most horses hate going backwards so they soon learn that standing still is a much easier option.

always make sure once you are on that you sit still for a moment too. too many people let their horse walk away as soon as they get on which can also exacerbate the standing still for mounting problem.

hope that helps unless ive repeated something others have said

"I whisper but my horse doesnt listen...So I yell!!...He still doesnt listen"

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