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post #1 of 17 Old 01-31-2013, 09:19 PM Thread Starter
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What would YOU do?

On a horse that speeds up when you apply leg pressure? (Outside leg pressure for a turn)

And for a horse that tucks his nose when asked to slow down instead of slowing down. Any sort of pressure the horse just tucks his nose. Eventually will stop (like when I say whoa, slams on the breaks.) but its annoying,
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post #2 of 17 Old 01-31-2013, 09:41 PM
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I would probably put a gag-snaffle on him and do a lot of leg yielding exercises with him until he adjusts speed like he is supposed to. I have used gag bits with rope or thin cord headstalls if they try to ignore the thicker ones.

I have used this in addition to one rein stops (which I usually refer to a 'taking a horse's head away from him') when a horse wants to duck behind the bit instead of slowing down. Then, along with leg yielding exercises, I would do a lot of transitions -- slow to fast to slow trot; Slow to faster to slow collected canter; Canter to trot, etc. If the horse does not IMMEDIATELY slow down I just take his head to his knee and then continue on like nothing happened at all. I will ask one nicely and lightly to slow down with both reins. If he does not, take his head away. You need to refuse to pull hard enough on both reins to give him a chance to duck behind vertical. Just ask and then take his head away.

Was this horse over-bitted or ridden by someone in draw reins or ??? Got him this way? A gag-snaffle really work well to reschool horses that get behind the bit and just stick their chins on their chests.
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My guy used to speed up when you touched him with a leg at all- that's how he had been trained, what little of it he had had. Leg touching in any way, shape or form meant GO FASTER, and that was all he knew. In my horse's case, he wasn't being naughty, just trying to do what he thought he was supposed to. Does your horse know how to yield off pressure (turn on fore, hind, etc) normally? I had to teach my guy all those skills and teach him that legs can mean more than GO.

My friend's horse tucks the nose like that (tucks and then takes off/ignores her completely)- she's been retraining him in a bosal and it's helped a lot. Not sure it that is an option for you. For her it was something 'different' enough that she was basically re-starting him and teaching him cues from the ground up, including all the pre-cues and seat communication for the stop. Seems to be helping even in a bridle now.
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Go back to ground work 101. The horse is not responding to your commands. Start over on the ground and get him soft, supple, and responding to your every command. You have to have the basics, play catch, before you can hit a home run.
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Some horses are trained poorly so that they believe any leg pressure means go and any bit pressure means "give" their head. They were never properly trained to work on the bit and you get problems like not working on the bit and a poor whoa. Bet he has an awesome on-rein stop cause it seems horses trained like this also get that drilled in their head. Tends to come from people who try to train a horse purely from TV trainers with o real understanding of why or how they should properly do things.

I would start back on the ground for a bit and build in some lateral control and work on drive lines/long lines for a while. I am sure some could fix this from the saddle but I've always had better luck on the ground for a bit and then backing the saddle once the horse seems to be grasping the concept pretty well.
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I would probably put a gag-snaffle on him and do a lot of leg yielding exercises with him until he adjusts speed like he is supposed to. I have used gag bits with rope or thin cord headstalls if they try to ignore the thicker ones.

I have used this in addition to one rein stops (which I usually refer to a 'taking a horse's head away from him') when a horse wants to duck behind the bit instead of slowing down. Then, along with leg yielding exercises, I would do a lot of transitions -- slow to fast to slow trot; Slow to faster to slow collected canter; Canter to trot, etc. If the horse does not IMMEDIATELY slow down I just take his head to his knee and then continue on like nothing happened at all. I will ask one nicely and lightly to slow down with both reins. If he does not, take his head away. You need to refuse to pull hard enough on both reins to give him a chance to duck behind vertical. Just ask and then take his head away.

Was this horse over-bitted or ridden by someone in draw reins or ??? Got him this way? A gag-snaffle really work well to reschool horses that get behind the bit and just stick their chins on their chests.

Really not sure. He's done it since before I got him. I will have to buy the gag, ie just been using a plain snaffle
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My guy used to speed up when you touched him with a leg at all- that's how he had been trained, what little of it he had had. Leg touching in any way, shape or form meant GO FASTER, and that was all he knew. In my horse's case, he wasn't being naughty, just trying to do what he thought he was supposed to. Does your horse know how to yield off pressure (turn on fore, hind, etc) normally? I had to teach my guy all those skills and teach him that legs can mean more than GO.

My friend's horse tucks the nose like that (tucks and then takes off/ignores her completely)- she's been retraining him in a bosal and it's helped a lot. Not sure it that is an option for you. For her it was something 'different' enough that she was basically re-starting him and teaching him cues from the ground up, including all the pre-cues and seat communication for the stop. Seems to be helping even in a bridle now.
Yep he turns on haunches, forehand and side passes.
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I have not found much that a gag is good for, but they have worked very well for me for horses that get behind the bit like that. I think they just put the pressure on a new nerve that does not instantly tell the horse to get behind the bit.
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May I ask, what the horse was used for before you got it?
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post #10 of 17 Old 01-31-2013, 11:13 PM
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I like to revert to an O-Ring snaffle when im having problems with a horse and the bit. I believe it gives you a fare about of control and allows you to use your hands in a much stonger manner then with a shanked snaffle bit. If a horse gets a bit over collected or low headed, gently pick them up with your hands. Use alot of two tracking and half passing to slow him down. Moving forward off leg pressure is a gift, so harness that energy!
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