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    06-27-2010, 12:19 AM
  #1
Yearling
What Would You Do?

So my 3 year old Clyde/TB filly has desided that this year, she's going to be scared of fly spray...last summer it was fine, but she's taken to mock kicking the air behind her every time I spray her flanks. She's fine with everywhere else, starts 2 stepping when I get to her butt, but on her flanks and the insides of her back legs she jumps around a little and just in the last 2 times, taken to kicking out behind her...I'm safe up at her shoulder, but how would you curb this habit?

So far I've tried to be consistant in keeping her steady and being persistant until she stops dancing to stop spraying - had a couple sessions now where I took a new bottle with just water and sprayed until she just didn't care anymore, then praise...but the next day it's terrifying again. Macabre tried spraying her while she ate her grain, let her walk off but when she came back go right back at it and again she became fine with it, but the next day it was the same thing. For now I plan to continue with the water and just being consistant in not accepting the bad behavior and rewarding the good, but I was curious how everyone else trained their horses to accept being fly sprayed?

I've owned most of my horses from birth so they learned at a very young age, and like I say, Eve was A-OK with it last summer...not like there was a bad experience or anything to set this off. She just doesn't like it. Can't wait to hear the responces!
     
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    06-27-2010, 12:24 AM
  #2
Yearling
Carry a dressage whip and pop(crack if need be) her in the hindquarter when she kicks out. She's not afraid, she's being a brat. Kicking out should not be tolerated. Chopper tried to kick me once. Only once. He got his ass handed to him and hasn't tried since.
     
    06-27-2010, 12:32 AM
  #3
Yearling
But that's where it gets complicated...she's not kicking AT me - her aim is the mist of water, which I guess she's hitting? I'm not one to baby my horse but I'd like physical repremand to be the absolute last resort. Eve is thick in the head sometimes, stubborn, and kinda well, dumb. It's as if she actually forgets what it is until 2 days later when I go to spray her again.

Today she had a holy ol fit about 2 lead ponies being tacked up and tied. Seriously horse...they're PONIES. She was petrified! Dancing and staring...she's a spooky filly, but I agree she's not scared of the fly spray. I have to say that I also don't think a whack on the butt will make her accept it, rather just make her more anxious around me and still hate it.
     
    06-27-2010, 12:34 AM
  #4
Green Broke
Just as kass said, I would whack her if she kicked out. Just with my hand. But for any hrose im around it is NOT acceptable to kick or bite. You can show your discomfort, but those to things are big no-no's. Smack her with your hand (or crack a whip or wahatever you want) when she kicks the air.
     
    06-27-2010, 12:35 AM
  #5
Yearling
It doesn't matter WHAT she is kicking at. She needs to be cracked. Kicking for any reason while behing handled is a big, BIG no no.
     
    06-27-2010, 12:36 AM
  #6
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by EveningShadows    
But that's where it gets complicated...she's not kicking AT me - her aim is the mist of water, which I guess she's hitting? I'm not one to baby my horse but I'd like physical repremand to be the absolute last resort. Eve is thick in the head sometimes, stubborn, and kinda well, dumb. It's as if she actually forgets what it is until 2 days later when I go to spray her again.

Today she had a holy ol fit about 2 lead ponies being tacked up and tied. Seriously horse...they're PONIES. She was petrified! Dancing and staring...she's a spooky filly, but I agree she's not scared of the fly spray. I have to say that I also don't think a whack on the butt will make her accept it, rather just make her more anxious around me and still hate it.
my first guess is she's being a brat. She can put up with fly spray. She knows she's being a brat, and im 99% (not 100% because I don't know the horse) that smackign her when she's being a brat will never make her scared of you. Horses know when they deserve a smack, and when they don't.
     
    06-27-2010, 12:36 AM
  #7
Green Broke
^

As a note, Eve is NOT kicking. Shay-la stands at her shoulder and side, and Eve will pop her leg out at the spray. Ironically, you can stand directly behind her and spray her, and she's fine. It's only when it touchs the front of her back legs and underneath her udder that she will "kick out", but it's like kicking at flies.

I am confident if she hit her with a whip, she'd have 100x more problems on her hands. Eve is not kicking at a human, she's kicking at whatever invisible fly keeps pestering her.

Edit - would you hit your horse for kicking his own belly to get a fly? That is basically what she's doing.
     
    06-27-2010, 12:43 AM
  #8
Yearling
Working on uploading a video from today. She's not "kicking out" in the sense that I think you're all imagining. She's lifting her foot, hitting her belly, and exaggeratedly putting it down...not lining someone up and booting them.

A little more back on topic though - how did all of you train your horse to accept fly spray?
     
    06-27-2010, 12:44 AM
  #9
Yearling
But like Ridergirl said, I'm 99% sure she's just being a brat. Sorry, in my opinion when you're doing something like that the horse should be expected to stand still until it is asked to move, regardless of what is being done to it. If she was fine with it last year she's just being a brat. I went through this with Chopper as well, he was being disrespectful and just being bratty. She knows she can get away with it so she does it. I still think she needs a good crack or two.

Trust me, the horse won't hate you. If anything she will respect you more that she already does. IMO the key to a good relationship with your horse is respect. When you take that alpha mare role, your horse will do anything for you.


ETA: I just kept spraying with a water bottle until he stood still, praising for every second he was good. As a yearling he was good, then his two year old year he was a brat. Three and four have no issues, I can spray his ears, sheath, everywhere. Any misbehaviour gets reprimanded.
     
    06-27-2010, 12:48 AM
  #10
Green Broke
Hitting a horse like Eve does not work. Period. She will freak out harder and not understand, which is probably what's so frustrating with all of this. Most horses you CAN just growl at, smack and tell them to stand still. Eve, not so much. She forgets things within 24 hours. She's a sweet horse but dumb as an ox sometimes.

She went through leading problems awhile back, where she was invading Shay-las space. With nothing but a rope halter, Eve almost flipped herself SEVERAL times just from Shay-la snarling at her and making her back up out of her space. This horse goes neurotic when you get physical or in her face.

I would agree with you 99.9% of the time, but this is one case where alternative options need to be sought out.
     

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