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    06-27-2010, 01:49 AM
OK but that's what I'm getting at - this has only become an issue in the last week or two...I'd like to gradually escalate instead of starting with giving her a whack. Just looking for ideas.
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    06-27-2010, 01:51 AM
Green Broke
I trained my horse to put up with it by giving her a whack when she was misbehaving about it. Kicking at air when she's agitated can become a serious problem. I have seen horses become kickers because owners didnt think it was a big deal when their horse 'air kicked' when she was agitated.
    06-27-2010, 01:51 AM
My mare Annie is like that, she wigs out and gets very nervous when you get in her face. There was one time she was getting her feet done, and she was being a brat. My grandmother put the chain on her nose and she still continued, even taking a swat at the farrier. So, she backed her up hard and fast and almost backed her into a ditch. Even though Annie was scared out her mind for all of 30 seconds, she got the point and decided it was much easier to just stand for the farrier than be put to work.
    06-27-2010, 02:15 AM
OK so here's Eve today - I stand her beside the wall to limit available movement and just ask her to stand but when I get to her flanks and insides of her back legs she gets fidgetty. Not mean or angry - but I still want to go about this in a way that will teach her in the long run that standing still is the better idea and I don't think hitting her is the way to go.

As a note - she says in the video I've done this every day for 2 weeks - I've done it 4 times over the last 2 weeks and Macabre did it twice while I was away...not ALOT of experience yet this summer.
    06-27-2010, 02:23 AM
Green Broke
Give her a good hard snap with that halter when she takes a step toward you like she did so many times in the video, she was pushing through you, and that is not okay either.

Yup. She's being a brat. Her ears are back, her whole body langauge spells out agitated. She needs to learn to put up with stuff like this, even if she doesn't like it.
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    06-27-2010, 02:23 AM
She IS kicking out. She starts kicking outwards at 1:18.

Can I ask why you don't tie her up when you spray her down? Through the whole thing I was cringing hoping she wouldn't freak and run you over, she really doesn't seem to have respect for you.

I think if you were to smack her leg or hoof it would actually be a reward for her. She's thinking- "I'm ticked, I'm going to kick, and its going to be REALLY satisfying to hear my hoof hit something. Then that annoying girl with her annoying spray are going to go away and I can just keep on with what I want to do."

So if you smack her leg, its going to reward her by giving her contact with something when she is kicking, no?

If she were my horse I would tie her short, and just stand at a comfortable distance and start spraying her down. I would spray and spray until she stops kicking. I'd use a squirt gun or even the garden hose on a fine mist.
    06-27-2010, 02:26 AM
Green Broke
^ don't smack her on her leg, smack her belly or hip. In my opinion smacking a horse acting like that on her leg is to dangorous for me! Lol :)
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    06-27-2010, 02:39 AM
Green Broke
The entire reason Shay-la did not get run over is because she's a **** good trainer. Eve has been taught to properly respect the halter, hence her being restrained with minimal effort in a situation that was causing her stress.

I am all for physical punishment, but I can guarantee you that hitting this horse will not make her like being sprayed anymore. Hitting this horse will not magically make her understand.

Please understand that Shay-la (nor me) has any qualms about kicking the crap out of our horses when they DESERVE it. Understanding this horse and this situation, it will not be helpful. And in the end, that's what good horsemanship is all about. What's good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander.

So aside from smacking her, any other suggestions?

    06-27-2010, 02:39 AM
I'm more than ok to give my lead a pop to regain her attention and focus, but I'm not about to kick her in the belly for what she's doing in this video. She's not doing a deliberate act to kick me - she's swatting at her belly and sidestepping to get away from what's uncomfortable. Yes, I know I have to stop her from doing this, but I'm not beating her into submission. That being said, she does not have "pinned ears" or any agressive behavior towards me...she's listening to the spray bottle and trying to evade it - you guys make it sound like I was doing some death defying stunt and shouldn't tolerate any of what happened. She's young with very little experience with the spray bottle, which is what we're working on.

To get back on topic again - OTHER that hitting/kicking your horse - how do you train your horses to stand to be sprayed?
    06-27-2010, 02:44 AM
IMO she's being snotty because, maybe, it tickles. But regardless, she IS kicking out and that's dangerous. I had similar trouble with my mare but rather than kicking, if she even saw you reach for the spray bottle she'd practically run backwards from you. Dunno why she became so afraid of it, but all I did was follow her and stay calm and she got over it. Your mare doesn't look afraid, just rather annoyed. Having said that, she should have enough respect for you to stand regardless. She's not kicking at the spray, she's kicking out to tell you she's annoyed, and she's going to escalate to kicking out whenever anything annoys her. Shouldn't be tolerated, but again that's my opinion. I'd say a snap down on the halter and a firm "Stand." or whoa, whatever you use to make her be still. Maybe not a smack, but if she respects the halter, demand she stands still.

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