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    06-27-2010, 02:51 AM
That makes sense to me - so far, a light tug in whatever direction has been enough to make her pretty much stand still other than the dancing...escalate to a short and sweet tug on it when she gets riled up and reward right away for standing again.

I just don't want to make this small-ish problem into a bigger problem. I don't want her turning this into a rearing game if I give a hard pull on the halter for "kicking"...she's a nicely sensative horse and I handle her as such, thus why she's soft on the lead. I'm not about to toughen her up like that because I'm ignorant to be patient and try something else first.
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    06-27-2010, 02:56 AM
I agree with how you started the post. Fill a spray bottle with water and go to town on her. Continue working and spraying where she's comfortable and then when you get to the point where she's a bit uncomfortable move back to a safe area. The next time go a little further and then back. Make it a POSITIVE situation for her. It's been a long winter and this is something relatively new. Just make sure to use water since fly spray can get terribly expensive.

Also, have you tried spraying the bottle NOT at her and rubbing her down as you do? So she gets touched and hears the sound but there's no tickling/spraying sensation occurring.
    06-27-2010, 03:02 AM
I didn't say beat her into submission. I said to tie her, and to start spraying her down until she learns that kicking is just wasted energy. When she is quiet, stop spraying. Start again, if she kicks keep going until she is quiet. Basic desensitization. I have no doubt that Shay-la is a good trainer, I am not questioning her skills, I am just saying the horse needs more desensitization.
    06-27-2010, 03:03 AM
Thank you! I was thinking of that at first but then wouldn't that teach her that if she dances I move away from the ticklish spot? I just didn't want to send the wrong message...

After this video I refilled the water bottle and just sprayed everywhere instead of focussing on her flanks til she stopped I'd spray her back, belly, neck, belly, flank, back, etc. She stood fairly well when I didn't focus on her flanks - might just gradually up the amount of sprays on the touchy spots but stick to generalizing it?

And I have just sprayed beside her and rubbed her, it's not the sound - it's the feel of the mist on her underparts. That's why I think she's not intensionally being rude to me, but rather trying to get away from that feeling. Either way it needs to stop, but it's a different reaction necessary when it's non-intensional. If a horse nudges me with a hoof while trying to swat a fly I'll tap their rump with my hand - if that same horse lines me up and belts me across the arena I'm likely to get up, dust off, and kick it right back. Intension is everything and you can't repremand an action that the horse didn't intend to do.
    06-27-2010, 03:06 AM
I don't like the idea of tying her while doing this because we HAVE to tie to bailing twine where we board and I do NOT want her learning if she hauls back she gets free. I honestly don't think she'd haul back hard enough to snap it, but when tied she'd able to move side to side as well and I have less control of where her feet go then. Also, I didn't mean anyone said "beat her into submission" but only one post has said something other than hit her.
    06-27-2010, 12:16 PM
Green Broke
All we were trying to do was give our opinions, you don't have to snap at us for something that worked perfectly on every other horse,or our opinions. Just saying what I see and what I'd do. Honestly, I kindove felt 'attacked' (or more like just snapped at) in macrabres and your last posts. Maybe it wasn't kent that way, but it sure felt like it
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    06-27-2010, 01:04 PM
Green Broke

Are you actually serious?

I'd appreciate if you could go back and point out exactly where I was "attacking" you. Several times we stated what was being said wouldn't work with this horse, and instead of realizing we know this horse a lot better then you, the people on this topic chose instead to assume that Shay-la is some sort of rank novice who doesn't know how to handle a horse and INSIST the advice being given was the correct advice.

We appreciate the advice, but after the third time repeating yourself, it's not really advice anymore.
    06-27-2010, 01:22 PM
Green Broke
I only said attacking because of lack of better words for it. When did we assume she was a rank novice? You were asking for advice, I gave it, you showed a video, I gave my advice and stated it was still the same, and that that horse was agitated and gave advice based on the new info.
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    06-27-2010, 01:23 PM
Green Broke
And that's fine. I then very politely explained why I felt your advice wouldn't work with this particular horse. And suddenly now I'm attacking you for not nodding my head vigorously and saying you were right? I'm confused.
    06-27-2010, 01:35 PM
Green Broke
Did you not read my above post? Or even the one before that?I said I used attacked for lack of better words?

I understand, people might never agree with the way we treat our horses. But saying: I'm not about to make a small problem into a bigger one because I'm ignorant to try a softer way first?
And saying we assumed she was a rank amature when none of us said anything about that?

Maybe I'm overreacting, I totally could be, but all your posts sounded kinds agressive from my point of fveiw. Maybe that's just me, messages can get really mixed up through the interenet sometimes
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