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    08-02-2011, 06:31 AM
  #41
Showing
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Originally Posted by QHKimmie    
OK, this is getting out of hand. I want to make it absolutely clear that I do NOT know the horse nor the rider! I also did not ask for a critique on this horse or the rider, I simply wanted to know if this is still they way we are showing WP or not. This horse was just an example I've found of what is winning even at our shows.
QHKimmie, there is nothing wrong posting a video as an example to ask questions. In fact personally I'd rather see the video before the question comes than guessing what the poster is talking about based on description only. This thread doesn't look like something to start the fight or rip off the horse/rider (and as already mentioned wasn't asking for critique).
     
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    08-02-2011, 06:54 AM
  #42
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Originally Posted by farmpony84    
That horse may not be in the ribbons though. Does the ad say it has points?
If you double click on the video it will take you to the youtube video and there it does say she is showing and placing.

I can say that this movement gets the blue at open shows which are judged by QH judges.


I realize the rule has changed but I think changing the rules was a form of lip service to the general population who felt this movement was sad and not right. The judges are still placing this movement and the judges are not being penalized for placing it so it is still happening.
     
    08-02-2011, 07:32 AM
  #43
Yearling
The judges are the reason WP horses move like they do. A judge will ribbon a horse that has the movement he/she likes to see. Then the trainers go to work to duplicating what is taking the ribbons. IMO, it is really a matter of politics in the horse show arena.
     
    08-02-2011, 08:56 AM
  #44
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
If you double click on the video it will take you to the youtube video and there it does say she is showing and placing.

I can say that this movement gets the blue at open shows which are judged by QH judges.


I realize the rule has changed but I think changing the rules was a form of lip service to the general population who felt this movement was sad and not right. The judges are still placing this movement and the judges are not being penalized for placing it so it is still happening.
I think it just takes such a long time for things to cascade down. As long as they are pinning with that movement at the higher levels, they'll be riding like that at the lower levels. At the shows I've been attending they've been really good about pinning forward movement. I've noticed that the ones that do that slight canting have not been placing either. They are looking more at the ones that move straight down the rail.

I hate to sound like a whiner, but I've also noticed the 17 hand grays are still pinning as well, even though they don't have correct movement....
     
    08-02-2011, 02:49 PM
  #45
Weanling
It's sad, but it's how they are all trained to move.

Someone needs to make a big statement in the WP world, that that is not pretty, and there's nothing proper about it. This is why I never do well in WP. I refuse to have my horse looking and moving like that. If I lose, so what, my horse is actually moving freely, with a proper, light headset. He looks like he has some personality and hasn't had all the life trained out of him.
Take a hint, judge.
     
    08-02-2011, 11:38 PM
  #46
Green Broke


Watching that video makes me think "poor horse."

I'm not a huge follower of the western pleasure news, but I seriously hope the judges do not go for that! The gaits were not true, the head was way too low, and the horse didn't seem to be enjoying itself at all.
     
    08-02-2011, 11:57 PM
  #47
Started
This is a video AQHA has out as a judging criteria video for a western pleasure horse. This stallion is example of how they would like to see the WP horse.
     
    08-03-2011, 12:57 AM
  #48
Weanling
Has anyone ever noticed, that some WP horses seem to go down the rail "sideways" at a canter?

I've seen some videos (and horses in real life) doing that in the show ring and it looks horrible.

Whats up with that?!
     
    08-03-2011, 03:10 PM
  #49
Showing
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Originally Posted by crimson88    
Has anyone ever noticed, that some WP horses seem to go down the rail "sideways" at a canter?

I've seen some videos (and horses in real life) doing that in the show ring and it looks horrible.

Whats up with that?!
I'm not certain, but I've seen this too, and I think the idea is to push the hip to the inside for balance at the canter.
     
    08-03-2011, 03:41 PM
  #50
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Originally Posted by crimson88    
Has anyone ever noticed, that some WP horses seem to go down the rail "sideways" at a canter?

I've seen some videos (and horses in real life) doing that in the show ring and it looks horrible.

Whats up with that?!
It's called canting and they are doing it to slow the horse down. They are not supposed to pin when they do that but... they do.
     

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