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        02-09-2010, 11:23 AM
      #11
    mls
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EasyStepHorsemanship    
    I think I'd follow the advice you've been given here,...check up personally through phone or better yet, in person with the past and present horses he'd trained or has in training.
    I agree. A personal phone call would be better than an e-mail or a text.

    Ask if you can ride something he has trained to see if you like the way it feels. I always offer that.

    No one can promise anything with a horse in a set amount of time. Every horse is an individual and deserves to be treated as such.
         
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        02-09-2010, 11:27 AM
      #12
    Trained
    I would not use him. I would keep looking. For several reason. Some Kevin have already mentioned. Some of the things in his email you posted would also make me lerry. Talk to people who have used him. Ask him for people who may not be very happy too. NO TRAINER has 100% positive references. I like to talk to people how where not quite as happy and find out WHY. Even my trainer has people who do not like him. EVERY trainer dose.

    If you can ride some of the horses he has trained. WATCH him work horses. I find this is very very informative. I learn more about a trainer watching them ride for 30-60 min then I do talking to a 100 of his clients. Watch him ride several different times on different horses too. Again a lot to be gained in that.
         
        02-09-2010, 03:28 PM
      #13
    Showing
    I agree with other folks. I don't like some pics posted. I don't believe much in "2 weeks" thing. Also neither really good trainer (at least in my area) has "one week free" special. Personally I'd keep looking but it's just my opinion.
         
        02-09-2010, 04:52 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    I would keep searching, I was not impressed by anything I saw on the website. There is a lot that you can teach with pressure and release, but it doesn't mean that it is good for the horse. Seeing some of the things he did, I wouldn't let him near any of my horses.
         
        02-09-2010, 05:18 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    Ok. Here is another lady that I am going to call tonight.
    She trains with Clinton anderson techniques (LOVE Clinton Anderson...)
    She seems really good.
    This last e-mail I got from her sounds really nice.
    (I am kind of nervous that she only trained 8 horses though...)
    Hi again, I know how you feel! When I started about 8 years ago I was really anxious about using what I learned. My husband and I used Clinton’s techniques along with some others to break our horse, Koko. She will be 8 this year and has been just great for us. I have her boarded at Kingstown Valley Ranch over behind Cedar Creek Country Club. The owners, well one of the owners-Ferd is a certified Clinton Anderson trainer and a retired La Crosse Mounted Police Sargeant. He has clinics throughout the spring and summer which are great and very helpful. You would be more than welcome to come and see Koko to see how I did. She was my 8th horse starting under saddle. There are some questions I have regarding your horse, her age and if there are any specific problems you have with her besides not being ridden yet? If this pans out I would really like to see her. I would expect you to be involved, as much as you could, which would be great for boosting your confidence!
         
        02-09-2010, 05:18 PM
      #16
    Foal
    To NR: Just curious but what didn't you like?
    (not arguing here, just talking)

    The tie down wasn't my favorite (but then again, lots of so called top of the line trainers use them and twisted bits, etc. And these are people with waiting lists and assistant trainers because they have so much biz). Not an excuse to use any of that stuff, but really...can you judge everything about someone based on a few pictures? How old are the pictures? People can change to be better than what they used to be (the good trainers do anyway).....is this guy one of those? Maybe.

    The standing on the horse and riding backwards, all that's the typical "nh" stuff to "show off" how "broke" a horse is. Heck, just watch Road to the Horse, you have Clinton Anderson standing on a horse cracking a whip and revving a chainsaw. Does that make him one to stay away from? Some people like this kind of "showbiz" stuff. It gets attention. Some people don't. I don't do the stuff that he does, but some people like it and who knows, maybe he's a decent trainer.

    Instead of just flat out saying no, why not follow up and check things out further? The internet isn't a tell all of someone's abilities. Sometimes the worst websites have good trainers or the best websites have lousy trainers.

    The final word can only come from checking things out in person.

    If he does turn out to be a good trainer, then I'd suggest talking to him about his website and giving him a few tips on what to put to better show off his skills.
         
        02-09-2010, 05:23 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by paintluver    
    Ok. Here is another lady that I am going to call tonight.
    She trains with Clinton anderson techniques (LOVE Clinton Anderson...)
    She seems really good.
    This last e-mail I got from her sounds really nice.
    (I am kind of nervous that she only trained 8 horses though...)
    Hi again, I know how you feel! When I started about 8 years ago I was really anxious about using what I learned. My husband and I used Clinton’s techniques along with some others to break our horse, Koko. She will be 8 this year and has been just great for us. I have her boarded at Kingstown Valley Ranch over behind Cedar Creek Country Club. The owners, well one of the owners-Ferd is a certified Clinton Anderson trainer and a retired La Crosse Mounted Police Sargeant. He has clinics throughout the spring and summer which are great and very helpful. You would be more than welcome to come and see Koko to see how I did. She was my 8th horse starting under saddle. There are some questions I have regarding your horse, her age and if there are any specific problems you have with her besides not being ridden yet? If this pans out I would really like to see her. I would expect you to be involved, as much as you could, which would be great for boosting your confidence!
    Sounds good. Worth checking out. Is there any way you can check out another horse she's worked with besides Koko?

    The only 8 horses under her belt thing,...yeah, that can make you pause....but don't let it put you off. The quality might be what you're looking for and what may match what you want.

    Also, since she's just getting started, your horse may get more attention and more detail,....talking about the enthusiasm someone has who's just getting going.
         
        02-09-2010, 05:26 PM
      #18
    Banned
    I wouldn't take having only eight horses trained as an indication of skill. If anything, that signals to me she's willing to put in the one-on-one time and the actual man hours to turn out a decent horse. She also openly invites you to participate as much as possible, which is good.

    Like EasyStep, I too think those pictures are all about the theatrics. I knew a girl who would occasionally dismount backwards or to the right....not that it was regular practice, she just liked to know that her horse was capable and sane enough to let her do that.
         
        02-09-2010, 05:46 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    I am going to call that lady trainer right now!
         
        02-09-2010, 05:47 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    ESH, the question wasn't directed to me, but I would like to answer. First of all, there is a lot that you can tell from a picture. I always tell people I am far more impressed by someone who can walk beautifully than someone who can do sloppy canter work and "stay on". Going beyond obedience, there wasn't anything "quality" that I saw in any of those horses. Good work takes time, and to say two weeks for a 7 yr old horse that you have never seen and has never had a saddle on is not fair to the horse. I don't only want people to participate in training, I want the horse to as well.

    He shows no interest in the physical well being of the horse, no interest in saddle fit or proper balance and movement. Those are all things that are apparent in those photos. We tend to think of "abuse" as not feeding, or striking, or losing patience, we never think about what we might be compromising beneath the skin just through lack of knowledge on how things work. I have seen far more abuse and permanent damage done by people who love their horses to death and can't ride than people who hit their horses. I personally want more from my horses than obedience, I want them to look good and FEEL good doing it. I don't use my "buy one get one free" deals on the horses well being.

    As far as the second trainer mentioned, there is no way to tell from that bit of information. It doesn't sound like much from that e-mail, but you never know without seeing. I personally speak much more boldly on forums than if you were to call me on the phone, however, whenever I get a call, I do offer to do a demo or a consultation on the horse they are asking about. I won't talk about myself when spoken to directly, but have no problem letting people figure it out for themselves by watching, so I try not to judge other people by just what they say, knowing how shy I myself can be.
         

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