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    11-20-2013, 07:43 AM
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Foal
What is your Thoughts on discipline?

I was just curious what you all thought about smacking a horse if he does something wrong....I have heard a lot of people say don't hit them, it will hurt them blah blah blah, but I totally agree with the herd mentality approach and I don't see anything wrong with giving a horse a good whack from time to time. If its not abusive I don't see a problem. What are your thoughts?
     
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    11-20-2013, 07:59 AM
  #2
Green Broke
If it is warranted, when a horse turns its butt toward you, strikes or kicks or bites, yup, without hesitation.

However, not if the horse has done something to piss you off and you get angry. Your emotion needs to remain in check.

The other type of hitting, not as punishment or correction, but as increase in pressure, I also agree in doing. Ask. Tell. Demand. Smacking is the demand part. Only if or when needed.
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    11-20-2013, 08:08 AM
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Foal
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If it is warranted, when a horse turns its butt toward you, strikes or kicks or bites, yup, without hesitation.

However, not if the horse has done something to piss you off and you get angry. Your emotion needs to remain in check.

The other type of hitting, not as punishment or correction, but as increase in pressure, I also agree in doing. Ask. Tell. Demand. Smacking is the demand part. Only if or when needed.
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Yes I totally agree....I have seen many incidents where the poor horse gets it when the owner is annoyed with it I disagree with that totally as long as its done in correction or teaching I agree with it but never out of anger.
     
    11-20-2013, 08:25 AM
  #4
Super Moderator
Horses MUST be disciplined for doing some things that are unacceptable like kicking or biting. But, there are many other ways that are more effective than hitting for most transgressions.

Most things can be caught earlier and a simple little 'bump' of the halter lead-rope or an "Ah!" will interrupt the behavior and will 'tell' the horse to stop doing it.

The main thing that we must discern is that any punishment must be both fair and effective. We know we have done it right when the horse does not repeat the behavior. We must be very careful that a punishment is not such that it just turns into a 'game' or becomes constant 'pecking' and 'nagging'. What some people view as punishment, the horse views as only a challenge to 'up the ante'.

Any punishment can be evaluated by its effectiveness. Effectiveness can be evaluated by whether the horse stops the behavior and does not become fearful at the same time. While biting is a bad behavior, we must be sure we do not replace it with making a horse throw its head and jump 10 feet sideways when we lift a hand -- not exactly much of an improvement.
     
    11-20-2013, 10:51 AM
  #5
Weanling
I think a lot of those touchy feely owners who's horse walks over people, nip, lean on people, blow up when cinched just to get out of being ridden, and and are their "baby so be really calm an quiet around my sensitive horse" need to be smacked.....just my humble opinion
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    11-20-2013, 10:58 AM
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Weanling
I rarely hit my horse...a loud "ah!" and jerk on the lead rope usually gets the point across. But a couple days ago I had him loose in the indoor arena, untacked him and let him roll and be a horse after our ride. They were bringing the horses in so I kept him in there to stay out of the way. I was talking to a couple of my friends on the other side of the arena gate and he came over and nudged me hard, he got a big bop in the nose and chased off and he spent the rest of the time standing in the corner like "oh crap...". He has never done that and I don't see him planning on doing it in the future.
     
    11-20-2013, 01:26 PM
  #7
Yearling
I think it depends on the horse, too. My big mare is sassy and dominant, and has gotten more than her share of (well deserved) whacks for being a brat, biting my pockets, head shoving, etc. She sometimes needs a reminder of just whose in charge, and shaking/jerking the lead rope does not get through to her.

My filly is so quiet and gentle if I hit her it would traumatize her. She's gotten a single smack on the cheek for biting my hand, thinking I had more treats, and she immediately became skittish and wary of me moving too fast for the next hour or so. She needs a much gentler punishment than my bigger mare to get the same message across - usually a firm tug on the lead and an 'hey' is enough for her. She understands taps from the crop for training, but she's never needed me to go any farther than a tap before figuring out what I want.

If it's something like teeth baring, butt turning, etc - I don't care what horse it is or even if its mine it's going to get a whack.
     
    11-20-2013, 02:10 PM
  #8
Trained
THIS is why we ALL need to start our horsemanship with a qualified instructor and personally NETWORK with other horseman. You must learn how to train, learn how to effectively discipline and learn how to effectively praise. Nobody is perfect at all of these things, which is why you occasionally see a really good trainer with a broken arm or leg, but you cannot transfer ANY knowledge of training and discipline of humans or other animals to the horse bc horses think differently and have the quickest reaction time of ANY of our domestic animals.
Still, don't join the bandwagon and beat yourself up if you make mistakes. Horses are very forgiving. My mare always tells me, "It's OK, Duckums, we try again tomorrow!" **pony smiley face**
She also told me that their apple tree (fenced in when we re-fenced) is dead just bc they ate all of the apples, so I guess you'll have to take her comments with a block of salt. =b
     
    11-20-2013, 02:49 PM
  #9
Yearling
I believe the most important part in "disciplining" a horse (or any other animal) is that they understand what you are communicating. If done correctly, a well-timed smack can teach a horse that a behavior is not acceptable and therefore is perfectly ok. If done incorrectly, you build trust issues and only make everyone's job harder.

People have to remember the size difference between a horse and a human. While I would like to only ever reward good behavior and never have to get tough with a horse, it is not always possible and if the horse is going to hurt itself, me or someone else with their actions, then I will use what is necessary to get my point across. Every horse is different and what may be too harsh for one will not necessarily be for another. My mare, for instance, needs firm leadership or she will tell you to p*** off in a not-so-nice way. When you have 17 hands of grumpy draft cross telling you it's going to be her way this time, you have to pull out that smack to get your point across.
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    11-20-2013, 03:11 PM
  #10
Super Moderator
Hitting a horse is usually not all that efffective, especially if it's a slap or a "tap". A slap is often just not big enough to make a horse sit up and say, "man, I'll never do THAT again!"
If you must apply some kind of negative reinforcement, it better be memorable and it better make a change in that behavior. Otherwise , just as a parent who smack a child regularly usually ends up with an angry, defensive child, you will make your horse more interested in defending itself through bad behavior than making the horse cease that bad behavior.

The other day, while I was out in the pasture I decided to check on Z's feet. He was not on a halter, just standing in the field. As I lifted one of his back feet, he withdrew it and kicked out petulantly, and clipped my ankle. Instantly! I turned and smacked him on the hip with both hands as loudly and hard as I could. It was all I had. Had I a whip or a rope in my hand, I'd have really snapped him one. But, all I had was my hands and my voice. But, I did it so fast, so loudly and with so much energy, he leaped away from me then turned to look at me with surprise . Then, I walked over, bent down and picked up his hind foot, and you'd better believe me, he let me do it without a bit of sass.
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