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        08-18-2009, 06:02 PM
    The neck twitch, I've done it! It worked okay. My horse was flipping out (don'r remember why, clipping? Vet? Don't remember) My trainer grabbed and rolled the skin right above the shoulder blade, and it worked, but not great. It calmed him just enough to get a lip twitch
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        08-18-2009, 09:08 PM
    I agree the the lip twitch should not replace training, but I am definitely for it if needed. We have needed it for several horses, for different reasons. But it definitely helps the horse relax when they are not capable.

    In all my years, I have never seen anyone ear twitch. How? Wow, I never imagined.
        08-18-2009, 09:41 PM
    If the horse's training is done properly and he has had his confidence nurtured, then twitching will never enter the handler's mind. Twitching happens when there is a hole in the horse's foundation and the person doesn't know what to do to fix it. Twitching is not necessary.
        08-18-2009, 09:42 PM
    I have used the lip twitch and neck twitch for years when needed. I prefer proper training, but if it has to be done it has to be done and that's it.

    Now, the ear twitch I hate. It was used on my show horse once while he was having his teeth floated and they were almost done and he was coming out of the sedative. The vet put the ear twitch on him, saying that he would never remember because he was still pretty sedated. Well, the horse that had never needed a twitch to clip his ears proceeded to hate having his ear (the one that was twitched) clipped after that, and often needed a lip twitch. After 3 years, he still caused some problems clipping that ear compared to the other. Ugh.
        08-18-2009, 09:44 PM
    I have used all of those and a lip cord. It depends on the situation and the horse. My horses learn to give to pressure and drop their heads with poll pressure. If I am messing with the head I will sometimes use the ear like a handle and I relax my grip as soon as they relax. If I really need that head still and down I will fold the ear and squeeze - trick is to relax the squeezing when they are still, hold the ear in warning/reminder, and increase pressure if they start wiggling again with relaxing again as soon as still.

    If I need my hands free and I am by myself I will use a lip cord. Take a hay string and tie it to one ring on the side of the halter, put it between the upper lip and the gum, run it through the ring on the other side of the halter. If it is long enough and I am close enough, I will simply hold the end and apply pressure as needed (say if I am giving shots or banding manes). If I need to let go, I tie it to the halter with enough pressure that it is snug, but not turning the whole gum white or cutting into the skin. I don't leave it long - 2 minutes tops. If I need it longer, I do my task in spurts.

    My basic training on a horse is to give to pressure - I will release pressure as soon as they give and relax. Pressure can be physical restraint, push, tap or even just my presence. Mine get so attuned to what I expect from them that I don't always have to lay hands on them, I just shift my stance and maybe say something with a tone that backs up what is going on.

    As a vet tech, I have run into situations where you don't have the luxury or time to of work off of the training or even knowing what some horses know and respond to. Then you just have to go off of gut feeling of what you can do and use. Some horses will stand still with you firmly patting them right between the eyes (works on dogs except you do the top of the head), others you need a twitch device of some sort. If that doesn't work, then the boss cranks out the chemical restraints :)
        08-18-2009, 10:14 PM
    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    If the horse's training is done properly and he has had his confidence nurtured, then twitching will never enter the handler's mind. Twitching happens when there is a hole in the horse's foundation and the person doesn't know what to do to fix it. Twitching is not necessary.
    Yes, but training doesn't happen immediately. If you have had a rescue for one week with horrible feet, the farrier needs to come out. The horse will not have been trained in one week. Are you going to risk having that horse kick, rear, bite, step on, run over, etc. the farrier? If so, I sure feel bad for your ferrier
        08-18-2009, 10:41 PM
    I completely hate the ear twitches. I have worked with several horses that had been "eared down" and they were all just impossibly head-shy. A couple of them never got over it either. Lip twitches are great in certain circumstances
    Lip twitching should not replace training. If your horse is being twitched for everything, you have a problem. But, using it for a young/green horse to give the farrier or vet an easier time for a long visit or for clipping around the face is fine.
    ^^ Precisely.

    I use the neck twitching on horses when they get shots just to keep them from jumping or possibly moving away and having to be stuck again.
        08-18-2009, 10:44 PM
    Hi, your idea is very interesting , I really like it. Thanks a lot

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        08-19-2009, 09:20 AM
    I have never heard of ear twitching??? As for lip twitching I will not allow it for any horse I own. That said I shoe part time and have had one person use the lip twitch on an unruly youngster and I was not impressed with the control it was suppose to add nor the idea.
    No twitching for me.
        08-19-2009, 10:17 AM
    I am my own farrier, and I would take the time to make sure the horse was confident before I ever touched his feet. It's about proper preparation.

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