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post #51 of 60 Old 09-11-2009, 09:35 AM
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Have I ever used a twitch on a horse??? Yes I have.... Do I do it all of the time??? No I don't.

I have a question to those who say that a horse that requires a twitch just isnt trained well. How do you train a horse to stand and tolerate situations when they are in pain and plain old scared??? It isnt like you can simulate a situation while training... when a horse is hurting they don't always understand what you or someone else is trying to do.

My horse Chloe is a very calm and gentle. She will put up with nearly anything (when I say anything I used to dye her tail, my brother would use her as a "prop" while playing the basketball game "horse"...the list can go on and on)... anyways a few years back she was in an incident where her back leg got cut up pretty decent. To clean it I didnt have access to seditives like the vets do and it really hurt her to have bandages removed and her wounds cleaned. Since I was the one that had to do it and rarely had help I twitched her when she once almost kicked me. She didnt kick out of hate but more of a "ouch that really hurt". So for the safety of me (and also her) a twitch was used. She never reared, flipped her self over, or freaked out when I went to twitch her- so I must have has some turst when I was working in our training together. While twitched she just would usually fall asleep. I don't see it any different then when I go to the dentist and have a panic attack when work is being done and they have to gas me (yes I get into a full panic and the dentist)... If twitching is done properly it should not hurt the horse or wound them... its all in the use.

So for future use how do I train my horse to accept just standing when they are hurt or need a procedure done that is not a normal thing covered in "training".


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post #52 of 60 Old 09-11-2009, 10:22 AM
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I hate ear twitching it can make a horse very head shy I have used a lip twitch but only in extreme matters even then I don't like to use them.
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post #53 of 60 Old 09-11-2009, 10:30 AM
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It has EVERYTHING to do with training. If the horse trusts his owner, and the vet has proper bed-side manner (patient, etc.), and the horse knows how to yield to the poke of a needle, things will be fine. I've seen needle prep TRAINING work wonders on formerly needle shy horses. My own personal horse is a brilliant example of this.
And I work with EDUCATED and experienced DOCTORS who say some horses simply do not have the tolerance for either the actual insertion of the needle or the feel of the medication flowing into the body.

Our doctors do give the horse the benefit of a chance prior to using any type of restraint before a procedure. Sometime it is simply in the best interest for the health, well being and safety of all (horse, human and equipment) concerned to use a twitch.
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Maybe the issue is the application of the twitch. Could those who have had good experiences with it give us a play-by-play on their application? I avoid twitches all together, but if I ever have to use one, I want to have the success you all say you have. What is the secret?
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Maybe the issue is the application of the twitch. Could those who have had good experiences with it give us a play-by-play on their application? I avoid twitches all together, but if I ever have to use one, I want to have the success you all say you have. What is the secret?
I've actually never had a problem with twitching itself. I think the problem lies with what horses associate the twitch with; when they get twitched, they get poked and prodded in places they'd rather not get poked and prodded; I think it's more an association fear than fear of the twitch itself. I've never seen a horse flip out with a twitch applied correctly and without any other provocation.

I can personally vouch that needles in joints hurt a LOT. The latest experience was a 6" acupuncture needle going into my hip to try and allow me to climb stairs again. I almost had to be sedated.


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I can personally vouch that needles in joints hurt a LOT. The latest experience was a 6" acupuncture needle going into my hip to try and allow me to climb stairs again. I almost had to be sedated.
my point exactly
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I am 110% against chain twitches. They're completely unneccesary, and I can see them assisting in the cause of equine fear of twitching.

I personally use the "clamp" twitches - just two bars that close with the lip in between. You can hold it as tight as neccesary, and I always ensure I have it JUST tight enough when I need to use it.

Quite frankly though, 90% of the horses I've worked with, I could just lip twitch with my hand. I only revert to a clamp twitch in extreme situations, and I haven't used one in AGES (I don't even own one, LOL!)

My filly is a bit weird, she likes to act up for the farrier still, and I've discovered I can render her motionless with a "chin twitch". Which is essentially me just holding her chin in my hand and massaging it! She loves it, and it's a nice happy medium we found!

I've personally never had a horse object to a twitch. They always get extremely calm, and extremely relaxed whether I use my hand or a clamp twitch. And no, I'm not "twitch happy", I just worked for a couple years at a Dressage barn where I did the majority of chores including handling the horses for tasks like vetting and farrier. I prefer to avoid twitches at all costs, but if it's not my horse, I'm not getting hurt because it wasn't taught to stand nicely. I always had permission.

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I honestly believe that most issues that horses have with twitching comes from improper or excessive twitching. You are not supposed to pinch them hard enough to inflict pain to release the endorphins. The locations where twitching is most effective (lips, ears, side of the neck) are pretty sensitive areas on a horse because of the concentration of nerve endings. You squeeze just hard enough to excite the nerve endings a little bit, not hurt them. It is kinda like massaging the meat of your hand between the thumb and first finger when you have a tension headache; to most horses, it actually feels really good. I still don't like the ear twitching because it is misused so often and creates headshy horses; that is a very sensitive button only to be used in the most extreme of circumstances, IMHO.

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I honestly believe that most issues that horses have with twitching comes from improper or excessive twitching. You are not supposed to pinch them hard enough to inflict pain to release the endorphins. The locations where twitching is most effective (lips, ears, side of the neck) are pretty sensitive areas on a horse because of the concentration of nerve endings. You squeeze just hard enough to excite the nerve endings a little bit, not hurt them. It is kinda like massaging the meat of your hand between the thumb and first finger when you have a tension headache; to most horses, it actually feels really good. I still don't like the ear twitching because it is misused so often and creates headshy horses; that is a very sensitive button only to be used in the most extreme of circumstances, IMHO.
Absolutely, great post smrobs!!

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Great post smrobs, agree 110%!

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