When should I start asking for the correct lead? - The Horse Forum
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 7 Old 05-20-2010, 08:30 PM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Washington, USA.
Posts: 6,634
• Horses: 2
When should I start asking for the correct lead?

Gracie and I have been working on lunging. She can walk, trot, and canter with a simble verbal cue, she never pulls or hangs on the line, she doesn't wander into the circle, and she only acts up briefly when I first ask to canter. But here's the thing, she almost always picks up the right lead, even when going left. Sometimes she will pick up the left, but not very often. Granted, we haven't done a whole lot of work, only twenty minutes max on the lunge line and it's mostly trotting.

So my question is: Should I be working on getting the correct lead now? Or should I accept a "canter" when I ask for canter, regardless of lead?

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
riccil0ve is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 7 Old 05-20-2010, 09:27 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: California
Posts: 775
• Horses: 3
I try to encourage the correct lead from the beginning even if we only get half way around the round pen.

A young horse can have some difficulty at first on a small circle and can really get their legs in the wrong place.
It is important to be patient and give the horse time enough to sort things out.
I try not to spend too much time with the horse in a circle at first and find that straight line work and hill work is best in the early muscle building stages.

I have had a few horse come in that folks have just sent them round and round so much that the poor horse doesn't even know how to walk or trot in a straight line.

The muscle and balance really helps the later stages of body control.

"The greatest strength is gentleness."
- Iroquois Proverb
Marecare is offline  
post #3 of 7 Old 05-20-2010, 09:42 PM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 16,344
• Horses: 0
It is difficult to ask for the correct canter lead on the lunge line. If you start ground driving with two reins, it is easier. Once under saddle, I always ask for the correct lead. If they get it wrong, I immediately trot and ask again. Immediately. Once they go into the other lead, I praise.
Allison Finch is offline  
post #4 of 7 Old 05-20-2010, 10:20 PM
Started
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Kansas
Posts: 1,567
• Horses: 7
There are lots of threads on here about taking the correct lead from the saddle, and some of them might be helpful. If she has enough room to canter comfortably, and she knows the cues, I would start trying to get her in the proper lead.

I had a thread that vaguely related to leads, and someone (forgot who) suggested asking for the canter when her weight is on her inside hind. This only works if she's dead-on responsive to the cues, though.

Learning never stops
aforred is offline  
post #5 of 7 Old 05-20-2010, 11:01 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,526
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by riccil0ve View Post
So my question is: Should I be working on getting the correct lead now? Or should I accept a "canter" when I ask for canter, regardless of lead?
You should be asking and expecting the correct lead pretty much from the beginning.

Failure to get the correct lead is usually the result of the horse not having the balance or muscle development to achieve it......................or the lunger not timing the aids or assisting the horse to achieve it.

I would point out though that lunging was never really designed for the canter or the walk but the trot. This does not mean you can't do it though.

For first timers position yourself in a corner so that the horse will be against a wall ( and have a "corner" ) for approximately 1/4 of the arc of the circle.Then with a shortening of the lunge line a step or two before asking and releasing the line to enlarge the circle at the moment of asking along with asking for the canter as the horse approaches the corner will give the horse the best opportunity to get a correct lead....no guarantees but should have the best results.
Spyder is offline  
post #6 of 7 Old 05-20-2010, 11:34 PM
Foal
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 241
• Horses: 0
training a horse to pick up the correct lead on a line is pretty interesting for sure.

You really have to be towards the end of the ground work before you will have good control of the hind end. Remember thats where the lead starts.

If you arent there yet then you should work on the side that is sticking more than the other that is working good. They usuall figure it out for themselves as counter cantering is way harder work than picking up the correct lead. Try pushing them into the correct lead at the turn. Get them going the opposite way then turn them fast and ask fior the canter like now. Soemtimes it work sometimes you have to wait until you get control of the hind end. Remember that horses have two sides, Bill and Bob. Different in all aspects and what you teach Bill you have to teach Bob. If Bob needs more time to pick something up then work with Bob more.
5cuetrain is offline  
post #7 of 7 Old 05-21-2010, 12:08 AM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Washington, USA.
Posts: 6,634
• Horses: 2
[quote=Marecare;639397]I try not to spend too much time with the horse in a circle at first and find that straight line work and hill work is best in the early muscle building stages.[QUOTE]

Well, she's not two until August. Lunging, ground-driving, and going for walks is about all we can do at this point. I lunge to get her moving a bit and work on her verbal cues. We do take walks up a pretty decent hill though, maybe once a week. I love hill work. =]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Allison Finch View Post
If you start ground driving with two reins, it is easier.
We've started ground-driving, and once we get solid at it, I will begin some double-lunging. I have a long ways to go before I even start getting on her, so we're doing a lot of groundwork to keep her engaged.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aforred View Post
I had a thread that vaguely related to leads, and someone (forgot who) suggested asking for the canter when her weight is on her inside hind. This only works if she's dead-on responsive to the cues, though.
I've heard that too. Unfortunately, it takes a stride or two of trot for her to pick up the canter. I'll do some fiddling and see. If she always takes two strides and then canters, I can time it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyder View Post
You should be asking and expecting the correct lead pretty much from the beginning.

Failure to get the correct lead is usually the result of the horse not having the balance or muscle development to achieve it......................or the lunger not timing the aids or assisting the horse to achieve it.

I would point out though that lunging was never really designed for the canter or the walk but the trot. This does not mean you can't do it though.

For first timers position yourself in a corner so that the horse will be against a wall ( and have a "corner" ) for approximately 1/4 of the arc of the circle.Then with a shortening of the lunge line a step or two before asking and releasing the line to enlarge the circle at the moment of asking along with asking for the canter as the horse approaches the corner will give the horse the best opportunity to get a correct lead....no guarantees but should have the best results.
I am definitely not a professional lunger. I want them to know how, and I use it to check soundness, but I don't spend a lot of time lunging when I could be riding. Right now, I'm just in the process of teaching Gracie. So I really don't now how to correctly assist through the transition, lol. Maybe this is just going to lead to heaps of problems further down the road. o_O

I will definitely try what you suggested, while trying to combine asking while her weight is on the inside hind.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 5cuetrain View Post
Remember that horses have two sides, Bill and Bob. Different in all aspects and what you teach Bill you have to teach Bob. If Bob needs more time to pick something up then work with Bob more.
Teehee. Exactly. New direction, new brain. =] I also want to pay more attention to the lead she picks up while running around the pasture. It's just so odd. She is better going to the left, and not so great tracking right, but she seems to be right-sided. Very tricky indeed.

Thank you, EVERYONE! I really appreciate all your help. =]

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
riccil0ve is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Correct Lead When Loping Staright? thunderhooves Horse Training 23 04-10-2010 08:51 PM
Getting The Correct Lead? PumpkinzMyBaby22 Horse Training 23 03-29-2010 07:03 PM
landing on the correct lead??? HeartMyOTTB Horse Training 1 12-14-2009 11:48 PM
Won't stay on the correct lead tempest Horse Training 4 08-25-2009 09:19 PM
Correct canter lead advice equinkel Horse Training 9 01-20-2009 08:55 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome