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post #1 of 11 Old 05-28-2013, 08:04 AM Thread Starter
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When to use a crop(jumping)

So, lately I have been having problems with Zoey ducking out to the left in combinations. Always to the left. The other day when I was doing just plain flat work I realised my left side is significantly weaker than my right. I'm guessing Zoey couldn't feel an even amount of pressure on both sides leaving her open to duck to the left. I have never had to use a crop on her before as she is a very nicely forward moving horse but, would it be helpful to use a crop in my left hand when jumping? I would prefer to use all natural aids but I just seem to be so much weaker on that side.
To put it simply, do you think it would be helpful to use a crop so she doesn't learn to duck out?

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post #2 of 11 Old 05-28-2013, 08:53 AM
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What about strengthening your left side? Even if that means no jumping for however long, you'd be better off in the long run to fix that instead of continuing on.
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Are you right handed? If you are it's not abnormal to be a little weaker in the off side.

Try to carry the crop and see if it helps. It does tend to help run outs.
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LOL, I don't think you need to stop jumping, but I do agree that strengthening that side would help, we are all somewhat one sided and riding sure points that out.

In the meantime, while you are working on it, yes I would carry a crop to help 'shut the door' on the left.
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post #5 of 11 Old 05-29-2013, 05:47 PM
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Yep, carry a crop on that side, shut the door on that side with the crop, rein and leg. Your probably won't even have to use it. Just let her know you have it and she'll probably abandon that behavior...and replace it with something new.

You just have to see your distance...you don't have to like it.
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That's all I was planning on using the crop for. Only for the duration that I need it.
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Is there a reason why you don't carry one all the time while jumping?

I literally never ever have to use a crop on my mare, but I *always* carry one when I jump, because you just never know. If you need it, it's there, and if not, great! IMO it's better than getting into a fight you can't win, and if the horse is having problems or is green and you might have to reinforce your aids, all the more reason to carry one. I would definitely recommend carrying it all the time for jumping now, since you realized your left side is significantly weaker than your right. You might not even really have to use it, once your horse knows it's there, she probably won't even try to duck out.

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I don't carry one all the time because she is a super forward moving horse so I don't know how she'll react to it.
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What do you do when he runs out?

Odds on is that he dives out to the left and you continue to turn him in that direction so he completes a circle and then go a fair distance away to represent to the fence.

The fact that he runs out to the left has nothing to do with you being weaker on your left side, after all, you would correct by being stronger with your right rein to keep him in. OK you do need to use your left leg more too but, the right rein is your means of correction.

so, when he runs out do not circle him left instead pull him up hard with your right rein and turn him back to the fence. If the fence is no bigger than 2'6" he only needs a couple of strides of trot to get over it. It might not be pretty but better than allowing him to run out. If you need to represent from further make sure you do so from the right rein and not the left. Also keep a stronger feel on the right rein.

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This is not a crop issue. This is an obedience issue. My lesson horses knew that if my student flipped a crop out to use, either they would use the crop or I would show them a whip on the ground. Therefore, they moved forward and listened.
Horses running out of jumps are not comfortable jumping. Don't know why yours doesn't like it, but I suspect it is bc she was rushed. Many talented horses are not given a solid education when somebody discovers that the have a knack for something, like jumping obstacles. There are numerous stories and I love to hear or read about them from world class trainers who de-spook a talented horse that was initially rushed. You hear about eventers who won't tie, trailer-load, half-halt--usually it's the Dressage phase that trips them up, and you wonder---WTFudge?!?!?
Go back to ground training over cross rails or caveletti and REALLY let her sniff and take a look at what you want her to cross.
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