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    05-25-2011, 02:11 PM
Not sure. Really because I start all of my own horses and then look for outside help to finish. I have learned a lot since having horses for 7 years now. I am training my yearling now. She accepts the saddle with no problem what so ever. I am taking my time with her and doing things differently than I did with all of my other horses.

Like I am spending more time on ground work but not really lunging her per say. I am working on turning her haunches and her forehand, side passing, backing, and over all flexing. She is going to be a show mare. I intend of once I have her under saddle then I will send her off to a trainer to be finished out for me. I don't have a lot of time and I only work her or even ride my 5 year old mare 2 a week. They are both improving off of each ride and training session.
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    05-25-2011, 02:30 PM
Thanks equss and I am sorry for the confusion, I meant train not start under saddle in my opinion 2 totally different skills and I admire any one that is good at starting horses under saddle.

You also made me realize something else I should have said in this series of posts, the only judge of what people do with your horses and their progress that matters is themselves!

Anyone that is happy with their results or their horses progress is a happy horse owner. :o) When we try to please others or try to learn how to please a judge for competition we sometimes set ourselves up for frustration but that is a totally different topic, :o)
    05-25-2011, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by IPHDA    
Holding on is holding on smart riders make it easy by having something easy to grab when needed!! LOL sorry couldn't resist, :o)

Originally Posted by IPHDA    
And I admire people with the guts to run across country sitting on a postage stamp, and jumping fences If I was going to do that I think I would just cut the horn off my western saddle :o)
Now THIS I can relate to and dearly love doing! Flinging yourself off a galloping horse to spear tackle an equally fast moving calf before wrestling it to the ground, phew that takes more guts in my books!

Originally Posted by IPHDA    
What is our goal when we are training a horse?

Anyone have a different way of explaining their end goal of training?

Sorry, I deleted your description, I did read it though, and quite liked it

Personally I have a slightly different approach, for me there is no 'end' or single goal, as training is a continuum. It is always 'what can I do next?' Whether it is faster, higher, more refined, that is the way I look at things.

For example, I started off working racehorses and graduated to track work when I was 16. At the time I was under direction of a trainer(s) but training to me meant how much fitter can I get a horse, how much faster can I get a horse, how quickly can I take a 2yo from being unbroken to being started in the gates for the trainer? But the end was never reached, as new goals are created by the realisation of existing goals.

The racing industry soured me somewhat and I turned my attention to the other side of racing - taking TB's after they had finished their racing career. I started competing (Showjumping) and it was all about how much more accurately can I ride a course, how much higher and faster can I jump, but again, an end was never reached, only new goals created.

Then, a new SJ coach insisted on a certain dressage proficiency to take on students so off I went to learn dressage (probably about 19 or 20 by this stage) and it was all about how much more supple and responsive could my horse be.

I ended up eventing for years and found that elements of all three major influences of my experience with horse training were combined in the dicipline, I LOVED my time eventing! But again, training was never finished, ever.

These days I just have the one horse, a TB mare and we are in the dressage phase ha! No doubt we will go through a similar cycle as I have with horses in the past although her path will be slightly different to any of the others that came before her. Even if we were to make it to the Olympics (laughable, using as an example only) her training would never be finished in my eyes until the day she is retired

So for me, no end goal. More like "what can I do with this horse NEXT?"

Originally Posted by IPHDA    
You also made me realize something else I should have said in this series of posts, the only judge of what people do with your horses and their progress that matters is themselves!

Anyone that is happy with their results or their horses progress is a happy horse owner. :o) When we try to please others or try to learn how to please a judge for competition we sometimes set ourselves up for frustration but that is a totally different topic, :o)
I understand your point but IMO this is a slightly insular way of looking at things. I think it is good to have an outside perspective on progress, a pair of eyes that can give a judgement objectively as we are human and subject to human imperfections. Having rose coloured glasses from time to time can be one of those imperfections

Of course, we shouldn't do anything in life solely to please others but sometimes having an outside expectation of our performance is a good motivating force. JMO.
    05-25-2011, 09:45 PM
Very good Sarah, and I also agree because I never have got that jaw tied to the hock as well as I would like even when I have the horse doing what ever event I started out to do, I can always find different way to make sure the connection gets better and makes the horse better.
I think I can do almost anything on a horse that I have this connection developed to where they will respond softy with their hocks from an extended canter or lope.

As for my comment about judges and expectations we can set our selves up for frustration depending on who we let judge us. Outside opinions are very good if the opinion is qualified and can stand the test the same scrutiny they give ! LOL
I do not mean just horse show judges I mean anyone who offers negative opinions.
    07-26-2013, 04:21 PM
Hi! I tryed to train my horse. I didn't feel like I could do a good job. I was on her back. I like slow and that's what she did, just walk. She is at the trainers now and for the next 6 weeks. They will train her for a young person. I was training her for when I was 70 and 80 years old. By the way they said she didn't know anything. Please, any input is welcome.
    07-26-2013, 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by upnover    
I do agree with a lot of what you've said, but IMO it takes a heck of a lot more then secure enough to be able to w/t/c without holding on to the horn. In fact, that's my definition of someone who's not a rank beginner, not a trainer. Some of it will depend on what you're training a horse to do. I've seen some pretty good kids teach their horses to pop over a little jump and do a decent job. But I wouldn't necessarily consider them to be able to start a horse properly. And I don't think it's a black or white answer. I think the more advanced you get you can work with a greener and greener horse and help finish them out. Before I"ll put someone on a greener horse I need to know that they're secure in the saddle and brave enough that they won't panic if the horse should let out a buck or a spook. And IMO I think it's easier for them if they've felt a buck/spook and know how to handle it before they feel it on that green horse! More importantly they need to understand how a horse thinks, reacts, and be very knowledgable in the horse's body language. They also need to be patient, calm, and have the horse's well being the top priority.
I've been around horses almost my entire life, and I've trained babies from birth all the way to showing and I still would not consider myself a trainer. In order to be a trainer, you really need to understand the principles of engagement and rhythm. You need to understand collection and suppleness and you have to be a great rider on top of that to understand the horse's needs and how to get them from point A to point B.

I don't feel that most people who own horses should be trainers or should be calling themselves trainers.
    07-26-2013, 11:06 PM
Unless your teacher is going to stay by your side 24/7 and tell you every little thing to do, the answer is 'everyone'. And even if the teacher were to do that, the answer would be the same!
    07-26-2013, 11:09 PM
If you have the abilities and the resources and someone to be learning under - I think you can teach your own horse. You cannot give up, but keep pushing forward until you get a good response.
    07-27-2013, 05:52 AM
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If you read the post from Cherie at the start of Training Horses then you will see that every time you interact with a horse you are training it. Might not always be for the good but reactions to the smallest thing that horse does tells it what it might be able to get away with!
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