Why do people want to break their horses anyways isn't it better to have a fixed one?

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    06-27-2009, 02:53 PM
Why do people want to break their horses anyways isn't it better to have a fixed one?

As humorous or not the title may seem, what I am trying to say is what is peoples facination/fantasy of starting their own horse? Just because you were the first person it ever took instruction from doesn't mean it necessarily loved you the most. When I think of some of the horses I've dealt with I know they do not love the person who started them the most and this can vary from hate/fear to mere indifference. In fact from what I have observed in training situations the horse tended to favor or be more affectionate to the owner because of promise of a less demanding ride than the trainer might give and the prospect of lots of carrots. Even in school, you did not love every teacher or even think some of them deserved to be there. I'm not trying to rant, I just don't understand why many people who are well meaning and perfectly suitable to owning a horse, have the desire to start from scratch? I have an extremly wide array of horses that I have ridden/dealt with and I have to say, if I don't have to start from scratch completely I'm ok with it. I have started from scratch before, and was very successful, but if I come from a horsey family and with supervision and tons of experience, it all worked out. But if I was given the choice of any horse, I wouldn't pick an unbroke anything. Of course I would pick a horse with as much training as I could handle. I would probably over horse myself, but would it be trained, you betcha! So for those of you who start your own horses, what prompts you to do so. And anyone who knows what I mean, let me know. Thanks, I know I'm new and this might seem like a weird question but I get bored and write things I probably shouldn't just like everyone else!
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    06-27-2009, 03:04 PM
I never planned on training my own horses. I've bought 3 mares that were maybe, maybe not bred. All 3 had foals so I have started 3 from birth to 2 years. I sold my first one and I'm working on the next 2 who just turned 3.
I planned on sending them off to a trainer when they get to the point I feel I can't handle it. I haven't gotten there yet
I do see the satisfaction in it. Its nice knowing what the horse knows and doesn't know. What it can handle, its little idiosyncrasies, that sort of thing.
I think some folks figure its best to train your own than purchase one that you don't know if its been tortured or spoiled.
I don't think its for everyone. It takes massive amounts of time and patience.
Again I'm not a horse trainer. I just enjoy teaching horses. Does that make sense?
ETA- I want to add that I'm a cheap SOB so that may also be a factor in training them myself.
    06-27-2009, 03:08 PM
For me it's because I wanted the bond of starting a horse from birth until death. People who bought an already trained horse have NO idea what the bond is like from starting from scratch. I wouldn't take it back for the world. It's alot of time and money but if people have both I say "why not"?. I do agree though that many don't know what they are getting into and get in way too deep.
    06-27-2009, 03:29 PM
Green Broke
My grandpa had an Arabian breeding farm, so I grew up with the most well mannered and well trained horses I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. I was spoiled in that my last two horses were given to me, and both born on our farm so I was an integral part of the training for Playboy, and I trained Zierra myself.

I've worked with enough abused horses that I quite personally find it much more of a headache trying to fix other peoples problems then just starting my own youngster. I would have no problems buying a well trained horse, but I don't see the point in spending thousands of dollars to get what I want when I can spend a few hundred bucks on an unworked youngster and turn them into what I want just as easily.

I just bought a 2 year old that has been screwed with by two total novices who "ran the farm" she came from. Thank god she's intelligent, because she has an attitude like no other along with no real respect for people. Luckily they didn't have long working with her, so I should be able to re-school those bad habits since she didn't have a bad experience, just needs to be taught respect.

I've been on the training end of enough problem horses, or even just older greenbroke horses to know I'd rather have an untouched youngster to mold how I see fit instead of spending all that time attempting to re-school an older horse.

However, I've been around horses since I was born, and I've been riding and working horses my entire life. So there is no "glamour" for me in training my own horse, just a desire to have it done right and not have to deal with manmade problems later on.
    06-27-2009, 03:34 PM
Green Broke
Because it's a meaningful experience for the people who want to do it. I don't recommend it all for green horsemen. But for someone who knows horses it's a very cool thing. I broke my horse and it was a great sense of accomplishment to know that we did it together.

There's nothing wrong with it and it's not at all a 'fantasy' deal. There's nothing wrong with a person wanting to start from scratch. It's about it being a challenge, a way to really bond with your horse on a different level (not saying better but different) then if you get an already started horse.

But again, it's not for green riders to do. That's just asking for trouble in most cases. Some people can pull it off, but it's surely not idea.
    06-27-2009, 03:34 PM
I know that there are many people who jump right in before realizing how deep the water really is when it comes to training their own. I was fortunate enough to grow up in a very horsey family with a professional trainer as a father. He taught me everything I know about horses (a long way from knowing everything, but I get by). I have trained about 10 horses completely from scratch all by myself and finished many more that were green broke. To me, it is not so much about makeing sure that the horse loves me. I treat them right and they can love me or not, that is their choice. There can be an incredible connection without there being love. It is just about a feeling of accomplishment and pride. There is nothing quite like taking a horse that was so wild that no one has even been able to touch him and get him to a point where I can just walk up to him in the middle of a huge pasture and jump on him bareback to ride back to the barn with nothing more than a thin piece of rope around his nose. It is the pride of seeing that light bulb come on when they realize what I was trying to teach them and perform it perfectly. Plus, because everyone rides so differently, it is nice to know exactly how they will respond to a certain cue instead of a big question mark. When I ride a horse that someone else trained, constant doubts are running through my mind. I ride with spurs, will this horse blow up when I cue him with one? Is he a head slinger or is he a kicker, or maybe is he terrified of anything that looks like a stick because he has been beaten? Plus, I can't afford a well trained horse because they are usually expensive and the only trained horses that are in my price range usually have some serious behavioral issue; bucking, biting, rearing, bolting, etc. To me, it is just easier to train them myself and never create those problems than to try to fix them. I just enjoy the challenge of molding a young mind into a stable horse that I can do anything that I want to on.
    06-27-2009, 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
I just bought a 2 year old that has been screwed with by two total novices who "ran the farm" she came from. Thank god she's intelligent, because she has an attitude like no other along with no real respect for people. Luckily they didn't have long working with her, so I should be able to re-school those bad habits since she didn't have a bad experience, just needs to be taught respect.
Thats just what I mean, I'm sure the novices thought and said all the things you did. I can't say it isn't an invaluable test for the master horseman that he/she start their own horse, I'm sure that is why my parents choose to give me a foal feeling that my experience warranted it. But I guess what I am saying is that why does everyone think its a great idea! Sure I think everyone should learn how to drive a car, maybe even pop the hood, but build an engine? And that is inanimate. I guess I get frustrated seeing the horses that were started badly go on to lead a life with the title "abused". And I'm also not slamming the good competition riders who forsake some training for talent, but have already surpassed the schoolmasters at the barn. So many people find the need to get a young horse, any horse, and try break it. And honestly that is where I see more people actually lose interest. Those who have worked with babies in multiples I'm sure understand better what it really takes to start a horse. I just wish that everyone who wanted to start their own horse had to take a green broke 3 yr old for a week and see how it goes. Like one of those babies for teenagers things. I
    06-27-2009, 04:07 PM
When starting your own horse you build a nice relationship. You can also sell the horse one day for more than you bought him/her for.. so there's a profit. You can also train a horse to do exactly what you want to do, etc. It's just nice :) And it feels amazing too.
    06-27-2009, 04:11 PM
Green Broke
People have already told you. It's a challenge, it's a sense of accomplishment, it can establish a really great bond. It's a good thing unless you are also green and really don't know what you are doing. Then there is the risk of yourself or the horse getting hurt. Or both.
    06-27-2009, 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by smrobs    
I know that there are many people who jump right in before realizing how deep the water really is when it comes to training their own.

*raises hand* That was me about 8 years ago...I was 16, seen horses MAYBE 4 times before falling in absolute love with my neighbor's 2 two year old mares. By the grace of god and both mares having hearts of gold, nobody got injured while they taught me to ride, and I taught them respect. I jumped into owning completely blind. My mom had had horses when she was younger, but she never helped with the ground work or riding, let alone actual training...I'd like to say I'm self taught, but those mares taught me almost everything I know. A couple years later I bought Cinder and mom got a Welsh Pony stallion...we ended up with 5 foals. That was another curve ball that taught me alot, like never stand directly in front of a foal! Bad idea!

ANYWAY, I can't say as I had the desire to start my own, just to have my own. It just so happened that the two I had my eyes on were fresh, never been saddled, lucky they had a trim every 3 months. I have to agree with what others have said though...I'd rather take the time to train my own from scratch than re-train other's wrong-doings. I've been trying to teach Cinder that bucking is NOT her 5th gait for 7 years now and she still hasn't quite caught on!

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