Originally Posted by Northern
Did you proponents of this ever consider that the horse's neck gets in a crick on one side, & overstretched on the other, at the least?
It's like doing a yoga posture waay too long - OUCCHH!
That's why watching and timing is so important. It's not like we tie them around and just leave them for hours at a time. We tie them and then watch. When they stop resisting, and they immediately give whenever they contact the bit, then I go and either switch sides or start working on something else like getting them ready to ride. Sometimes it takes just a few minutes to a side and other times it might take as much as a half hour to each side. Usually no more than that and none of the horse's I've ever used this on has shown any ill effects.
Originally Posted by Buckcherry
I honestly think this is a lazy way to teach a horse. And quite frankly I would never do that.
There are better ways and if you don't have time to train a horse properly then you shouldn't be training horses.
I don't see how tying a horse head to the side and leaving him to figure it out is teaching him anything except not to like the bridle, bit or saddle beacuse they think your going to tie their head. Pretty ignorant..
Wow, offensive much
? There is nothing lazy about it. It is a time saver, yes, but that doesn't mean that the trainer is going into the house to sit on their ass and watch TV while the horse is tied like that:roll:. As for "there are better ways"? That's a matter of opinion. I've been training for 10+ years and my Dad (who taught me) has been training for 50+ years. Other than the occasional outlaw horse, I have never had a horse that this method did not work on. It takes the human element out of it so there is no worry about making sure the human has the perfect timing to release pressure at just the right moment.
Not to mention, this isn't an every day thing so there is no risk of the horse becoming scared of the saddle or bridle by associating it with being tied with their neck bent. I'll do it once on each side, maybe twice if the horse is one that needs things repeated in order to learn. After that, it is all reinforced from the saddle.
Originally Posted by TheLovedOne
I think that one good thing has come out of seeing trainers at your barn doing this is that you needn't hire them for anything since they are both lazy and incompetent. There are much better ways, as others point out, to do this and it doesn't take very long for a horse to learn it if you have good or at least decent skills. If you haven't got the time to do it right then you shouldn't do it all.
How long have you been a trainer? How many horses do you ride each day? Have you ever tried this method? Since when is it your place to call someone lazy and incompetent? As for "better ways" and "doing it right", that's a matter of opinion again. I'll take my personal experience over your preaching any day and my experience tells me that this method is effective and efficient. You don't agree with it, fine, but be careful about throwing a hissy fit and spouting words like 'incompetent' or 'lazy' about people you don't know.