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Will a horse stop running if swallowing blood

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#1 ·
During a race if a racehorse starts swallowing there blood after biting there tongue will it make them stop running. And should you use a tongue tie and a figure eight at the same time. Also her tongue was cut in two places on both sides of the tongue bleeding bad. The tie was completly full of blood. Let me know if this is normal or should we run without anything, No tongue tie or figure eight. also can you tell me what exactly a figure eight really does for the racehorse.
 
#3 ·
I guess my jaw dropped when you suggested anything that would make your horse's mouth bleed. God designed the horse's mouth with a gap between the teeth, and that's where we put a BIT, and hopefully the horse has been trained to it so he doesn't bloody his mouth with it when ridden. The ONLY time I touch any of my horse's tongues is when I pull the tongue to the side--as Vets often do--to show kids at a local living history demo (we do every year) what their teeth look like and how to tell the age of horse by it's teeth.
The only way you'll be able to work this horse for awhile is bitless. This injury will take a long time to heal.
 
#4 ·
Seeing as all your posts lend themselves to less than savoury horse training methods I have to assume you are ignorant, or a troll. I'm going with the latter as it seems you are posting about old-school barbaric training methods to get a rise out of people.
 
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Yes, some horses have to race in a tongue tie. Sometimes a bit holder works to keep a horse's tongue under the bit and sometimes it doesn't and the trainer has to tie the horse's tongue -- and it has to be tied correctly. [A bit holder is a red rubber device that goes around each side of the bit between the horses mouth and Dee Ring on the bit and holds it up in the horse's mouth. It comes across the nose and up in-between its eyes and fastens to the crown of the bridle.]

A figure 8 does something completely different. It keeps that horses mouth shut without restricting its air.

When I applied for my first Trainers' License, I had to pass a 'hands on test' and had to show how each was properly applied and explain why they might be needed.

So, they all have their proper place in a race trainer's barn and a qualified trainer should know how they are used. If a horse has cut its tongue, it has gotten it over a bit in a race or fast workout. And, yes, a horse will 'quit' if they do.

If you now a horse like this , the owner needs to have a long talk with the trainer and probably needs another trainer. If it is an 'owner/trainer', they probably need to get a 'real' trainer. [Owner/trainer licenses are easier to get because these people do not train for the public. I've seen a few that were that stupid and they sure needed a real trainer.]
 
#8 ·
According to your other posts on this same subject, the person who did this to the horse is your own BROTHER, so why don't you ask him the reasons behind what he did?

What exactly is it that you want from people? For us to tell you how awful your brother is, and that he's a horrible human being?
 
#10 ·
This is what I said in your other thread about tounge ties and figure 8 nosebands.

What exactly do you need help with?



Tongue ties are frequently used in the Standardbred industry, but I have never seen a horse bleed from it.


I would guess that the horse bit her tongue somehow, because the tongue tie doesn't go at the front of the mouth, it goes at the back, where the bit is.


It sounds like this horse is very busy with their tongue, hence the tie and figure 8. Much safer to tie their tongue then risk the horse getting it over the bit, and having a run away horse situation.
Pasteing it here, because my answer is still the same.



you are posting about old-school barbaric training methods to get a rise out of people.
How is tongue tieing barbaric or old school? My grandparents have a horse right NOW that goes in a tongue tie.
 
#14 · (Edited by Moderator)
I never said tongue tying was barbaric. I said the OP was posting about methods that were, in all of his/her posts, less than savoury.

I stand by what I said, that running a horse with a tongue tie that is too tight until it's mouth is full of blood is a barbaric way to train a horse.

I also think that tying bailing twine onto a horses lip and onto a halter so it can't move, is old school and barbaric as I quoted above for clarity.
 
#15 ·
To the OP:

If a tongue is tied properly, the bridle can be put on first or after the tongue is tied. I always put it on first. It should be tied just in front of molars with as much of the tongue pulled forward as possible. Horses that get their tongues over a bit can choke on them. It is often horses with very long tongues that 'lol' their tongues or 'play' with their tongues. If they get their tongue over the bit, they can become hard to control but they also can 'swallow' their tongue and come up very short of air and can panic or even collapse.

While the groom may have put on the tie and the bridle, the person that is listed as 'trainer' has 'absolute responsibility' for the care of the horse and for every bit of equipment that horse carries, just like the trainer is responsible for any 'bad test' that comes back. A groom cannot even saddle a horse unless the trainer or a licensed assistant trainer is in the paddock. The trainer of record better pay a lot more attention to his horses and how they are equipped when they leave the paddock.

Did the Track Vet, Stewards or any other official see the horse bleeding? If so, someone will have to answer for it and will have a hard time explaining that someone else did it. It also could be mistaken for 'bleeding' and the horse will get a place on the 'Vet List'.
 
#16 · (Edited by Moderator)
Just trying to point out that tongue ties are still used.

I don't remember exactly, but I was sure that in the post in the other thread, the OP said the holes in the tongue were at the front...leading me to believe that the horse bit their tongue, and it wasn't the tongue tie causing it. However, I could be mistaken.
 
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