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    12-12-2011, 07:27 PM
  #11
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Originally Posted by VelvetsAB    
How is tongue tieing barbaric or old school? My grandparents have a horse right NOW that goes in a tongue tie.
Didn't Big Brown go in a tongue tie?
     
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    12-12-2011, 07:33 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by VelvetsAB    




How is tongue tieing barbaric or old school? My grandparents have a horse right NOW that goes in a tongue tie.
I'm trying to work out where I specifically said that tongue ties are barbaric, but nope I'm stumped.

Do I think riding a horse hard enough, with a tie tight enough to fill it's mouth full of blood is barbaric? Yes.

Do I think these posts in another thread by the OP describes an old-school, barbaric method of training? Yes.

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Originally Posted by asdfgh596    
We had to do this to one of our horses, try this and see if it works get a small peice of bailing string make it about 6 inches around tied together twitch her lip and using a clasp, twitch and pull tight to her halter, after doing this you will be able to do anything you want to do. NOTE a normal twitch will scare her and she wont let you do anything. Let me know if this works.
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Originally Posted by asdfgh596    
Your horse wont move untill you remove the twitch, trust me you will be able to do anything you want and she will let you. Or just keep letting her do what she wants. Hope you don't get hurt.
I'm not sure what your grandparents have to do with anything either, sorry.
     
    12-12-2011, 07:54 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by Pyrrhic    
I'm trying to work out where I specifically said that tongue ties are barbaric, but nope I'm stumped.
Try the first page of this thread...post number 4.

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Do I think these posts in another thread by the OP describes an old-school, barbaric method of training? Yes.

I'm not sure what your grandparents have to do with anything either, sorry.
How is a tongue tie "old school" when the OP's brother is using one, and my Grandparents still use them. That sounds still like it is a current piece of equipment.

A properly tied tongue tie just inhibits the horses ability to put their tongue over the bit, preventing the possibility of an accident should the horse get loose or get out of control, because of not being able to steer. That is a pretty big safety issue for other horses, and riders/drivers.
     
    12-12-2011, 08:05 PM
  #14
Foal
I never said tongue tying was barbaric. I said the OP was posting about methods that were, in all of his/her posts, less than savoury.

I stand by what I said, that running a horse with a tongue tie that is too tight until it's mouth is full of blood is a barbaric way to train a horse.

I also think that tying bailing twine onto a horses lip and onto a halter so it can't move, is old school and barbaric as I quoted above for clarity.
     
    12-12-2011, 09:47 PM
  #15
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To the OP:

If a tongue is tied properly, the bridle can be put on first or after the tongue is tied. I always put it on first. It should be tied just in front of molars with as much of the tongue pulled forward as possible. Horses that get their tongues over a bit can choke on them. It is often horses with very long tongues that 'lol' their tongues or 'play' with their tongues. If they get their tongue over the bit, they can become hard to control but they also can 'swallow' their tongue and come up very short of air and can panic or even collapse.

While the groom may have put on the tie and the bridle, the person that is listed as 'trainer' has 'absolute responsibility' for the care of the horse and for every bit of equipment that horse carries, just like the trainer is responsible for any 'bad test' that comes back. A groom cannot even saddle a horse unless the trainer or a licensed assistant trainer is in the paddock. The trainer of record better pay a lot more attention to his horses and how they are equipped when they leave the paddock.

Did the Track Vet, Stewards or any other official see the horse bleeding? If so, someone will have to answer for it and will have a hard time explaining that someone else did it. It also could be mistaken for 'bleeding' and the horse will get a place on the 'Vet List'.
     
    12-13-2011, 02:37 PM
  #16
Green Broke
Just trying to point out that tongue ties are still used.

I don't remember exactly, but I was sure that in the post in the other thread, the OP said the holes in the tongue were at the front...leading me to believe that the horse bit their tongue, and it wasn't the tongue tie causing it. However, I could be mistaken.
     

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