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post #131 of 647 Old 09-23-2010, 09:00 AM
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Really? Thumbtacks? I can't believe you're serious...

Anyways.

I had an interesting experience bit shopping the other day. I've been looking for a couple of bits for Lily and haven't had a lot of luck. She needs a 4.25" bit and not a lot of the stores carry that size.

I went into a store that I haven't been in before, told them what I was looking for (full cheek snaffle), and explained the "problem" with Lily. Her main problem is lack of training, but in manifests in having no "whoa". The tack store owner immediately wanted me to put her in a slow twist dee ring. I explained that I didn't need a twisted mouthpeice, Lily's picking things up quickly and there is no need for a twisted bit. She just needs time and training.

Basically the owner seemed to think I was an idiot, kept trying to convince me that this horse needed some sort of twisted bit, possibly one that had some poll action. :roll:
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Unfortunately, there are soo many people out there that would have said "Okay, if you think that's best ".

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post #133 of 647 Old 09-23-2010, 09:44 AM
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I can under stand why the store owners suggested that bit. I have and do use them. However not to put a whoa on a horse. I use them to lighten the horse up. My trainer uses them for the same reason. They are not used every day. Matter of fact my trainer rarely uses the same bit what ever he grabs that day he uses. That is probably why my horses he has trained will go in any bit. It is not about the bit it is about the training and the hands the bits are in.

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post #134 of 647 Old 09-23-2010, 12:00 PM
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Nrhareiner - It's not that I have a real problem with that particular bit. I haven't run into a situation where it's needed, but I haven't trained a lot of horses. :)

I was frustrated that the shop owner automatically decided that I needed a stronger bit and wouldn't listen to me when I specifically said the horse is just basically untrained. She just doesn't really understand what I'm asking when I'm asking for a whoa. She isn't being defiant or leaning on the bit. Her mouth is actually quite soft and she's very responsive once she figures it out. I think that putting a stronger bit in her mouth is going to cause more problems than it fixes.

I did find a loose ring snaffle that fits her though and she seems to like it, so the problem is solved for the time being. Now if the rain would just stop so I can actually ride!
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I agree that a twisted wire is probably not what you need. I am just saying I can some what understand her point. If your mare is light and responsive then there is no need for one. I use them on green horses so I get that light and responsive horse. It takes less pulling and hand movement with a twisted wire then a larger mouth snaffle. However once the horse gets it which does not take lone then they go into other bits and may come back to that one at some point.

I also must say that if your hands are not quiet then you should not use a twisted wire either. I also do not like the small fast twist. I like the ones that are a bit larger in diameter with a med. Twist.

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Really? You are against bits but don't mind if someones pokes their horse in the face with thumbtacks instead?
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Woah...I didn't realize the thumbtacks were facing outwards on the horse. No, that's classified as abuse. I'm sorry, I misunderstood your post. I thought it was an exaggeration of some halter barely held together or something. WOW I'm stupid...I'm sorry.

No, that is DEFINITELY not acceptable. I agree.

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post #137 of 647 Old 09-24-2010, 03:05 PM
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Don't worry, we all have those moments! Lol

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post #138 of 647 Old 09-24-2010, 04:12 PM
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I don't want to hijack, but I would like everyone's opinion. As some of you know I am starting Sunny soon. I have considered starting bitless, but should I start with a bit and then change over, or just start bitless? She's been mouthed, but no real bit training. Do you think its a bad idea to start a baby bitless? I feel like she should know how to respond to a bit in the chance I have to sell her, so should I begin there? Or do you think I should just not worry about bitless unless she really dislikes it? And in case anyone is wondering, there is no SPECIFIC reason why I want to go bitless, I would just like to and I always have. But if you guys think it's a bad idea then I won't. I'm confused as to which method I should go with. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.
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post #139 of 647 Old 09-24-2010, 04:47 PM
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I am a big believer is starting horses in snaffles. Even the trainers you see showing in a Bosal start their horses in a snaffle. Then they switch over slowly. Then after the aged events go to a curb bit. In the end you will find your horse will respond to a lighter cue starting with a snaffle. You just have to remember to be light with your hands.

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post #140 of 647 Old 09-24-2010, 05:40 PM
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Thanks, nrha. That's what I was thinking. I'll just keep working with her in the bit I have for her now. If she does well in that then i'll just keep her there.
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