Originally Posted by nrhareiner
Again you are assuming that by putting a bit in my horses mouth that I am pushing them or making them uncomfortable. My horses do what they do b/c they are bred to do it and they love it. If they did not you would not get the level of performance that my horses work at. You can not make a horse perform you can only give cues to that performance. This is why reiners slide when other horses can not. This is why cutters get down in the dirt to cut a cow and other do not. You can not train this. This is bred into them and they love it. They do it b/c it is what they are bred to do and love doing. All I do is put a cue to it so they do it when I ask. Part of the cue is a bit.
Well I disagree I feel that a bit does make horses uncomfortable and if you can get your horses to do what you want without a bit why would you use one? You do not need a bit to get your horse to do what you need and we just can't say that bits are not uncomfortable for horses. Now getting down to the beginning of all horses..horses were not created for us to ride. They were trained over years to be ridden. Horses still have their natural instincts. When I ride I want to as close to the horse as I can so I want to be at their element. When they are playing with their horse mates they don't have anything on them obviously, but I want to be as close as possible so I personally love bareback with a halter, but at lessons I ride with a saddle and bitless bridle because I can live with that. I do not want horses to be objectified and I hate when they are so to me we treat them like other beings...we ask them to do things like we ask each other too, for instance horses let us ride them and in return I believe that we should make it as comfortable as possible for them..Yes we feed them give them a home and so on, but we should still make them feel as good as possible. Not every single horse loves being ridden. And no I will never believe that there are bad horses. Horses just don't have bad in their nature. Saying I don't understand the purpose of a bit is not true at all I used to ride with a bit so I know the purpose. Also considering I have ridden with and without a bit I know the pros and cons of each one. My horse loves bitless so does every single other horse I have ever worked with ever. I believe that we will never ever agree on this still because we view the whole concept of riding and of horses so differently. If one way of communicating is ALREADY WORKING then why do you need to add another that could be debated as painful and uncomfortable? I am not saying riding is wrong by any means I am just saying that horses sole purpose on earth is not (and should not) be to be ridden. I disagree with bits and that will never change. I don't understand the logic behind "This communication is already working, but am going to add this just to make sure." Spurs are a whole different topic. Spurs do inflict pain. Jabbing something into a horses side is useless and the horse reacts to pain and listens to you because they are afraid of pain same with a bit. I want my horse to listen to me because he or she RESPECTS me not because they know I will inflict pain on them if they don't listen to me.