I'm sorry you think i'm manipulating your words. I wasn't offended by your words at all - Just pointing out why others may be. You have said numerous times you think all bits cause pain, or did I read wrong? That was all my pbservation was based on. If you believe all bits cause pain, then it logically follows that all those who ride with bits are causing pain. That, and that alone, is why people have taken offense.
Yeah obviously if a bitless doesn't fit it will cause rubbing, but you know what that is if they don't fit bits can cause that irregardless!
Had nothing to do with fit, and everything to do with bad hands. Bitless can cause just as much pain and discomfort as a bit - bad hands are bad hands, wether attached to a bit, sidepull or halter.
Considering that there is no right in the world for anybody to be frustrated with me UNLESS they are trying to change my views which will never happen.
Well you seem to be frustrated with me, so are you trying to change my views?
I don't really care wether you ride your horse in a bit, no bit, nothing at all - As long as you do it well.
This forum is a fantastic place - only a few people seem to feel attacked, and generally they are the common denominator.
I do believe they cause the horse discomfort you believe they don't...
I actually never said anything about wether I believe they cause pain or not. Not sure where you got that idea.
I actually agree somewhat - many horses are in pain because of bits. However it is not the fault of the bit but the person on the other end - Wether it be bad fitting, not taking into account mouth conformation, not understanding how a certain bit works, or plain bad hands. A well fitted bit that is suited to the horses personality and level of training with a sympathetic rider attached to the reins is a wonderful tool. Same goes for bitless - A well fitted bitless option that is suited to the horses personality and level of training with a sympathetic rider attached to the reins is also a great tool.