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post #241 of 647 Old 12-12-2010, 03:53 PM
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Personally, I think bits are are a waste of time. There is no need for them, if you can ride - use your seat to control the horse. Like i've said in other posts, the first thing I do when faced with a difficult horse is remove the bit, more times than not a horse that runs, runs in-to the bit, take it away and they've got nothing to run in to.
Sure that is why there are so many million $$ riders that use bits. They are just out there wasting their time.

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Ok, so that did sound did sound like a major over-generalisation and not what I meant at all. Obviously bits have their place, I just had a real bad experience recently and it's kinda put me off for life at the moment!

I totally respect riders that can, well - ride! But I'm stuck in a job surrounded by people who's solution to stopping a horse being difficult is to stick a stronger bit their mouth, which obviously makes them hard and so they move on to yet another stronger bit. As I'm not a confrontational person, I'm finding the only way to get it through to them is to do things my own way and make a point of not using a bit at all -these are the people I am referring to, I did not mean to insult anyone! As you can imagine this has left me very unpopular and It's nice to be able to come on here, vent and hear other peoples opinions without the confrontation. I am a quite person who just wants the best for the horses and pupils I work with.

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I understand where you are coming from. I think it's a common mistake in the horse world to overbit (or over-bridle, refering to some of the nastier bitless options) instead of train. Thank you for being big enough to clarify AND apologize.

I've stated my opinion again and again on the whole bitless/bit issue, so I won't go over it yet again. Welcome to HF Ponypower!
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Thanks, yeah I think it's important for people to understand that bitless bridles can be just as brutal as a harsh bit in wrong hands. I'm just sick of seeing lack of understanding spoil perfectly good horses.
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I think the biggest problem with most people and bitting or overbitting is pure lack of education; it's easier to listen to your peers, when they give "advice" rather than search it out for yourself and decide what is best for you and your particular horse. And most people aren't going to listen to someone that they don't know, as a general rule; sure you can offer suggestions, and even 'prove it' with your own horse's well trained responses, but that doesn't mean they will respect that...most people have to have the poop hit the ceiling, and be at their 'worst' to take advice that seemed poor at first. Even myself, at one point, just automatically trained a horse in a snaffle, then graduated to a curb, and some of those horses only responded to the curb later on...now I train and ride in a snaffle (or rope halter), and use the curb for showing mainly.

It was interesting, because last night I was watching some of the final's rodeo on tv, and almost every single horse was in a snaffle bit...not curbs like you normally see...I think that may make a big difference in how some people veiw snaffles, especially western riders, because the curb bit is the 'norm'.

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It was interesting, because last night I was watching some of the final's rodeo on tv, and almost every single horse was in a snaffle bit...not curbs like you normally see...I think that may make a big difference in how some people veiw snaffles, especially western riders, because the curb bit is the 'norm'.

While I think it is great that they are using other bits like a Snaffle I do not think it will change any thing with western event riders. If you are going to show western you must use a curb bit, with very very few exceptions. So it really does not matter what others might or might not do.

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Reiner, I think she was likely talking about the speed events like barrels and poles where most of the horses really should be kept in snaffles.

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While I think it is great that they are using other bits like a Snaffle I do not think it will change any thing with western event riders. If you are going to show western you must use a curb bit, with very very few exceptions. So it really does not matter what others might or might not do.
Maybe not, but I found it very interesting, mainly because of the association of curb bits and western riding.

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Reiner, I think she was likely talking about the speed events like barrels and poles where most of the horses really should be kept in snaffles.
That I do agree with. Most of the riders at least at the lower levels of speed events do not put the fundamentals onto their horses like they should.

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Fill me in here guys...I've only ever shown in English (in England many years ago) where a lesser bit was appreciated as a sign of good horsemanship and control. I'm a bit confused as to why a curb has to be used in western show circuits, when as far as I can figure out the majority of riders train in a snaffle or halter?
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