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        12-21-2010, 08:32 PM
      #311
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Sunny    
    And when the vet says the horse is okay, what do you do then?
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    This is theoretical so its not my horse so considering these facts I would have to know the horse
         
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        12-21-2010, 08:37 PM
      #312
    Trained
    So in your opinion there are no horses out there that are more comfortable with a bit. Even horses that dislike face pressure?

    I saw your point earlier about bridles putting pressure on their face and that isn't the same sort of pressure as a bitless bridle. Bridles generally have passive pressure on a horse's face (at least mine doesn't do anything other than keep the bit in place). A bitless bridle is active pressure and uses pressure points to "force" the horse listen. *Disclaimer - I don't think bitless is inherently cruel, anymore than most bits* Some horses have very sensitive faces and do not appreciate pressure being applied to the pressure points on their face.

    Now I *could* train my horse to accept the bitless bridle. I'm sure I could. But is it worth it? Not for me. I see no reason to harass my horse for a month or two in order to force him to accept something he has shown he doesn't like. As long as I can ride my horses happily (both of us) and safely (both of us) I could care less what I ride them in. If they want bitless, so be it. If they don't like bitless, so be it.

    I'll probably try Lily in a bitless option at some point too just to see if she does like it, in the meantime she's happy and accepting of her loose ring snaffle. More than likely I'll throw a bosal (properly fitted) on Soda and see if he likes it. If he doesn't he'll go right back to his double jointed snaffle that he is completely happy in.

    ETA - According to both of my vets there is no "physical" reason Soda shouldn't like a bitless bridle. Of course they didn't see any reason for him to hate the single jointed snaffle either and he disliked that too. I put the double jointed in and it was a night and day difference.
         
        12-21-2010, 08:41 PM
      #313
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by MN Tigerstripes    
    So in your opinion there are no horses out there that are more comfortable with a bit. Even horses that dislike face pressure?

    I saw your point earlier about bridles putting pressure on their face and that isn't the same sort of pressure as a bitless bridle. Bridles generally have passive pressure on a horse's face (at least mine doesn't do anything other than keep the bit in place). A bitless bridle is active pressure and uses pressure points to "force" the horse listen. *Disclaimer - I don't think bitless is inherently cruel, anymore than most bits* Some horses have very sensitive faces and do not appreciate pressure being applied to the pressure points on their face.

    Now I *could* train my horse to accept the bitless bridle. I'm sure I could. But is it worth it? Not for me. I see no reason to harass my horse for a month or two in order to force him to accept something he has shown he doesn't like. As long as I can ride my horses happily (both of us) and safely (both of us) I could care less what I ride them in. If they want bitless, so be it. If they don't like bitless, so be it.

    I'll probably try Lily in a bitless option at some point too just to see if she does like it, in the meantime she's happy and accepting of her loose ring snaffle. More than likely I'll throw a bosal (properly fitted) on Soda and see if he likes it. If he doesn't he'll go right back to his double jointed snaffle that he is completely happy in.

    ETA - According to both of my vets there is no "physical" reason Soda shouldn't like a bitless bridle. Of course they didn't see any reason for him to hate the single jointed snaffle either and he disliked that too. I put the double jointed in and it was a night and day difference.
    Honestly, I have nothing else to say about this. I have said all I have to say. I will agree to disagree.
         
        12-21-2010, 08:43 PM
      #314
    Green Broke
    But you just can't admit that some horses don't like bitless pressure just as some horses don't like bit pressure.
         
        12-21-2010, 08:45 PM
      #315
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    Originally Posted by Ray MacDonald    
    But you just can't admit that some horses don't like bitless pressure just as some horses don't like bit pressure.

    Have I said that throughout any of my posts? I'm not saying there is never a place for bits I am saying I disagree with them.
         
        12-21-2010, 08:49 PM
      #316
    Green Broke
    No I didn't see it.. I think you are very close minded and I think bareback hurts the horse. Your butt is grinding right against their spine how would that not hurt???
         
        12-21-2010, 08:53 PM
      #317
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by thumpthumpmyhorseshooves    
    I understand what you mean about bareback, but to me for shorter rides I think that a horse would appreciate no tack rather than tack. When I go on long rides I use a barefoot treeless saddle.

    It is taught here a bit : Spare

    You can read about it a bit
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    BTW I didn't write this and this is a public link.
         
        12-21-2010, 08:55 PM
      #318
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Ray MacDonald    
    No I didn't see it.. I think you are very close minded and I think bareback hurts the horse. Your butt is grinding right against their spine how would that not hurt???

    As I said before (and this won't change) I think the horse prefers bareback instead of tack on a short ride which is what I do, but if the ride is over 2 hours I ride with tack. My horse loves bareback. I try to put a saddle on she hates it but she moves so that I can get on her bareback.
         
        12-21-2010, 08:56 PM
      #319
    Trained
    Ok, Thump, I'll agree to disagree with you about all horses being ok in a bitless bridle. You do have some good points, I just don't like that particular "hard" point in your mind.

    I enjoy riding bareback also, though I don't do it all the time. When I'm not bareback I have a Bob Marshall Barrel saddle. I'd like to get an AP english saddle at some point and maybe a dressage. Darn horses eat to much though.
         
        12-21-2010, 09:04 PM
      #320
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MN Tigerstripes    
    Ok, Thump, I'll agree to disagree with you about all horses being ok in a bitless bridle. You do have some good points, I just don't like that particular "hard" point in your mind.

    I enjoy riding bareback also, though I don't do it all the time. When I'm not bareback I have a Bob Marshall Barrel saddle. I'd like to get an AP english saddle at some point and maybe a dressage. Darn horses eat to much though.

    I'm so so so sorry. I just saw your status. That is so harsh. I am so so sorry.
         

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