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        02-11-2011, 09:29 AM
      #351
    Green Broke
    ^^ exactly...goes the same way. My horse goes well in a bit...but put her in a bitless or anything else that specifically applies pressure to her face and you get one very unhappy horse!
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        02-11-2011, 11:17 AM
      #352
    Trained
    Same as HPITS. I ride in a headstall that doesn't have a noseband, tell me how much pressure that's applying to my horse's face? It's not even in the same area as the pressure a bitless bridle puts on a horse's face.

    Seriously you disagree with the statement "it's what you put in their head not on it"? I don't see how you can and call yourself any sort of horseperson. Unless you think she's talking about bits (in head) and bitless (on head)?
         
        02-11-2011, 11:55 AM
      #353
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Loveeemyhorseee    
    I majorly disagree with "Results come from what you put in their head, not what you put on it." that.
    Then this speaks to your level of under standing about horse training and how horses work. If it was not what you put in their head but on their head then you could get a horse to do anything the very first time you got on them.


    Take a look at some of the best trained horses in the world. Take a look what they are ridden in. A BIT. They where trained in a bit even the horses that Stacy Westfall shows in Freestyle reining bitless are trained in a bit.
         
        02-11-2011, 05:17 PM
      #354
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Sunny    
    Why ride bitless if you can correctly ride with a bit?
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    Can you tell me for sure that bits do not cause any pain or discomfort at all? No. Okay so why wouldn't you be safe and go with bitless?
         
        02-11-2011, 05:20 PM
      #355
    Green Broke
    How do you know bitless doesn't cause pain and discomfort?
         
        02-11-2011, 05:21 PM
      #356
    Green Broke
    A properly fitted bit should not cause pain or discomfort.

    Just so you know, my horse had a fractured nasal bone and can't be ridden bitless. I was considering starting her bitless until I discovered that it would cause her extreme pain.

    ETA: Can you tell me for sure that bitless doesn't cause pain and discomfort? Because it surely can. I've seen it. Just as I've seen horses with wrecked mouths, I've seen horses with wrecked faces.
         
        02-11-2011, 05:24 PM
      #357
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by MN Tigerstripes    
    Same as HPITS. I ride in a headstall that doesn't have a noseband, tell me how much pressure that's applying to my horse's face? It's not even in the same area as the pressure a bitless bridle puts on a horse's face.

    Look up the pressure points on a horse's face.

    Seriously you disagree with the statement "it's what you put in their head not on it"? I don't see how you can and call yourself any sort of horseperson. Unless you think she's talking about bits (in head) and bitless (on head)?

    How can you honestly say this? Pressure points on a horses face are natural and normal. Using what a horse is naturally giving you to ask them for things is what is supposed to happen. I believe a great deal matters what you put in their head, but also on it. How can you say that a bit is the better choice? Bits are so far from natural. I will get hammered for this, but I disagree with spurs and "grass" reins too. If you can find out why your horses head is flying up then you don't need grass reins. Its all about the horse and figuring out why you are getting the results you are getting. Horses ask from us: Food, shelter, water well basically just care. We ask from them to ride them. Riding isn't natural, but because of the human/horse relationship we are ABLE to ride them.
         
        02-11-2011, 05:27 PM
      #358
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Ray MacDonald    
    How do you know bitless doesn't cause pain and discomfort?

    1. Bridles with bits hit most of the same points there is just less pressure because of the bit. And 2. Hmm would you rather have a bit or no bit? If you were a horse? Try tugging on your mouth and tell me which you would choose.
         
        02-11-2011, 05:36 PM
      #359
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    Then this speaks to your level of under standing about horse training and how horses work. If it was not what you put in their head but on their head then you could get a horse to do anything the very first time you got on them.


    Take a look at some of the best trained horses in the world. Take a look what they are ridden in. A BIT. They where trained in a bit even the horses that Stacy Westfall shows in Freestyle reining bitless are trained in a bit.
    First off please do not take me to a lower standard and basically say I'm not horse smart because I have not demeaned anybody. I do not agree with that statement because it matters GREATLY what you put in their head, but also on their head. If you put something that causes pain on them you can get them to do WHATEVER you want like you said, but that isn't real horsemanship. Lets say you can get your horse to turn on a penny with a bit. Okay...but the horse isn't doing that out of respect for you or because you asked him too..he is doing it because that's what the tugging and pulling says. It doesn't mean he likes it.
         
        02-11-2011, 05:39 PM
      #360
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Loveeemyhorseee    
    1. Bridles with bits hit most of the same points there is just less pressure because of the bit. And 2. Hmm would you rather have a bit or no bit? If you were a horse? Try tugging on your mouth and tell me which you would choose.
    Well lest see. A bit when properly used takes about 1 inch of movement from your hand to cue a horse. Less then a 1/2 once of pressure.

    A bit-less bride takes a lot more movement of your hand and a lot more pressure.

    I have said this before yet the people who ride bit less seem not to want to give it a try.

    Go and put on your bit less bride. Then attach your reins to that bit less bridle with a single piece of thread. You know the type that you use to put buttons on your coat. Then take your horse out and run him full out and ask for a stop. See if you can get that horse to stop before our brake the thread. If that is too much to ask see if you can get them to turn or do anything with out braking the piece of thread.

    I know I can do this with my horses and a bit.
         

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