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post #361 of 647 Old 02-11-2011, 04:45 PM
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First off please do not take me to a lower standard and basically say I'm not horse smart because I have not demeaned anybody. I do not agree with that statement because it matters GREATLY what you put in their head, but also on their head. If you put something that causes pain on them you can get them to do WHATEVER you want like you said, but that isn't real horsemanship. Lets say you can get your horse to turn on a penny with a bit. Okay...but the horse isn't doing that out of respect for you or because you asked him too..he is doing it because that's what the tugging and pulling says. It doesn't mean he likes it.
If you are tugging and pulling on the bit to get a horse to turn then you have not put what is needed in their head. Does not matter what you put on it. If it is not in there you will not get the desired response.

Bits properly used do not cause pain. Does not matter what is on my horses head I can cause them pain even with a bit less bridle.

If a horse who rides in a bit was in pain doing so then horses such as reining horses would have a big problem doing what they do. The very definition of a reining horse is to be willingly and effortlessly guided. If the horse is in pain that is not going to happen. Also if I have to move my hand more then a inch that is not going to happen. Also if the horse is being injured in any way from the bit or my spurs I am automatically DQ. All that time and money put into that class is gone. It could be as little as a scratch.

How many times have you had to drop bit and be judged in such a manner?

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post #362 of 647 Old 02-11-2011, 04:46 PM
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Actually I have tried that. Putting pressure on my gums and on my nose, personally I would rather a bit because it doesn't hurt has much as on my nose. And also most likely to break my nose than my jaw.

Horses are scared of two things... Things that move and things that don't.
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And if you are pulling on a bit to stop on a dime wouldn't you also have to pull on a bitless bridle to get them to stop too?

Horses are scared of two things... Things that move and things that don't.
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If you have to pull on anything to get a horse to stop you need to go back to the practice arena and do some more work.

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My point is why would you use a bit if you don't have to?
Because I want to. My bits are designed for the type and style of riding that I do, I like being able to move my hand just a couple of inches to get the desired reaction instead of having to pick up enough to actually contact the headstall. Because of the design of bits, then the horse can feel even the slightest lift of a rein, whereas with bitless, they can't. Bitless bridles are not designed to have the subtlety that I can get with a bit. It doesn't matter how well trained the horse is, if they cannot even feel the cue until you have made contact with the headstall, then there is zero refinement in your tack.

You are clearly stating in this point that you disagree with me, yet you are also saying that you are not telling people what you ride in or trying to change their views.
As I said, I couldn't care less what you choose to ride your horse in, that's your own business. What I disagree with is people like you trying to say that we are being cruel to our horses because "we don't understand that they would like bitless so much better because it's nicer than bits". That's a bunch of horse-pucky. You don't know my horses and to assume that you know they would like bitless better is very naive. Anyone who truly understands the mechanics of a bit and how to properly use one knows that it's all about the hands.

I majorly disagree with "Results come from what you put in their head, not what you put on it." that.
So you're telling me that you believe everything a horse does is simply because you have the right bridle on them and training has nothing to do with it? What level of understanding do you have as far as training a horse goes? A well trained horse will respond the same whether you ride them in a halter or a bit, the only difference is how much the rider has to move for the horse to feel the cue.

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So you're telling me that you believe everything a horse does is simply because you have the right bridle on them and training has nothing to do with it? What level of understanding do you have as far as training a horse goes? A well trained horse will respond the same whether you ride them in a halter or a bit, the only difference is how much the rider has to move for the horse to feel the cue.
Your couple of words " Because I want to. My bits are designed for the type and style of riding that I do, I like being able to move my hand just a couple of inches to get the desired reaction instead of having to pick up enough to actually contact the headstall. "

This depresses me. Its all about YOU. Not your horse at all! Its about what you can make your horse DO. How about the fact that horses are beings just like us they get scared, worried confused and they feel pain, but for some reason you don't seem to grasp the concept that its about the horse not what people can make them do. Its crazy. Why would I even begin to respond to the rest of your useless comments when your main principle is a mess?
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Actually I have tried that. Putting pressure on my gums and on my nose, personally I would rather a bit because it doesn't hurt has much as on my nose. And also most likely to break my nose than my jaw.

So do you have a horses mouth now? I'd like to see a picture of that. Horse mouths are sensitive. Obviously. I disagree with bits. Nothing will ever change that at all. I disagree with all of your views on bits and I wish that with the stuff that people are asking me to do like nrhareiners "exercise" you guys would consider the fact that maybe bits are better, but its obvious that you won't because you don't want to have to change thats the bottom line. I'm not asking you to either, but just like I did consider your opinions for a while maybe you should try mine for a while.
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Perhaps it is best that you do stick to bitless since you clearly have no idea how to properly use a bit. If you did, you wouldn't be throwing such a hissy fit about this whole thing. None of this is about what I can force them to do. For goodness sake, they are a thousand pound animal, if they didn't want to do something, my puny force couldn't make them. That very idea is laughable.

You are still missing the entire point, too. It is NOT about how hard you can yank on their mouth, the whole purpose of a bit is so that they can feel when you lift a rein and respond so that you DON'T have to pull on them. But, whatever. If your brainwashed little mind is so convinced that lifting the slack out of a bridle rein is so painful to a horse, then you can just stay in your own little world.

It always comes back to us horrible bit users inflicting pain on them too. Hmmm, I wonder why they still drop their heads and pick the bit up out of my hand when I go to bridle them. It must be because they are so terrorized and afraid of it, right?

And you really shouldn't preach about other people "making" their horses do anything. Everyone who owns or rides a horse is making them do something that isn't normal or natural for them. We make them stay in enclosed pens or stalls, we make them pack us around, we make them go where we want to go and do what we want to do.

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Perhaps it is best that you do stick to bitless since you clearly have no idea how to properly use a bit. If you did, you wouldn't be throwing such a hissy fit about this whole thing. None of this is about what I can force them to do. For goodness sake, they are a thousand pound animal, if they didn't want to do something, my puny force couldn't make them. That very idea is laughable.

You are still missing the entire point, too. It is NOT about how hard you can yank on their mouth, the whole purpose of a bit is so that they can feel when you lift a rein and respond so that you DON'T have to pull on them. But, whatever. If your brainwashed little mind is so convinced that lifting the slack out of a bridle rein is so painful to a horse, then you can just stay in your own little world.

It always comes back to us horrible bit users inflicting pain on them too. Hmmm, I wonder why they still drop their heads and pick the bit up out of my hand when I go to bridle them. It must be because they are so terrorized and afraid of it, right?

And you really shouldn't preach about other people "making" their horses do anything. Everyone who owns or rides a horse is making them do something that isn't normal or natural for them. We make them stay in enclosed pens or stalls, we make them pack us around, we make them go where we want to go and do what we want to do.

If you don't like my ideas, then you are more than welcome to not read any of my posts .
^ sad ^ , but as in response to your last sentence. Here is a revolutionary idea...Do your research and maybe people would give your posts the time of day
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