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post #421 of 647 Old 02-14-2011, 06:04 PM
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post #422 of 647 Old 02-14-2011, 06:09 PM
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and Taby you mention only using a bit to refine head position...what do you train I'm just curious? My understanding at least in dressage is that you don't use the bit to place the head in a certain carriage...that should all drive from behind. A bit when used properly with other leg and seat cues can be used to teach that but I got the impression from your post that you teach it first then use the bit last to teach head carriage?

Just curious...not being rude so don't take it that way...unless you want to and then you'll have to deal with my posse here ;)
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PBB: We don't allow use of bits on our horsies. We call them horsies. Calling them horses is cruel. You don't use a bit do you?

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Yes, Luveee brought all that "making fun of" on herself. She has no respect for opinions that disagree with hers, but is unable to defend her own opinion in a logical, thoughtful manner when her inconsistencies are pointed out.
Lets get it straight you are bullying, not making fun of someone. I wonder what your parents would think if they saw this?

And what bothers me most is that you think you get the right to bully when someone else as you put it "has no respect for opinions that disagree with hers, but is unable to defend her own opinion in a logical, thoughtful manner when her inconsistencies are pointed out." And you are doing the same thing if not 1000 x worse .

You guys are bullying your point through instead of doing it in the " logical, thoughtful manner" you didn't get through to her so you turn to this instead.
So please... don't think for one second think you have a right to bully someone to teach them a lesson and please don't try and convince me that you are making fun of someone because they brought it upon them selves, wrong girl you have made the choice to do it to them and no one has the right to do that to another human being. Call it for what it is and put the blame where it belongs.
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It is not about picking at the horse or refinement as in the finished product.

I am talking about when I direct rein a horse who is just staring I also lay the other rein on their neck and put my outside leg on their side. This way they are learning all the cues at the same time. Now the second they give all the cues are removed.

I also as does my trainer teach the horse to move every inch of their body before they ever move out of the walk. Once they have this then they are moved up to the trot and so on. Not sure you can get much slower then that. Solid well trained horses who are willingly and effortlessly guided is the end goal and what we end up with. I will say that my trainer is much better at it then I am but that is also why I use him.
I am sorry a miss understanding I was talking about refinement as for me refinement does meen to refine the teachings as in close to the finished product. What you are describing about placing the rein on the neck would be basic training for me.

Everyone trains differently I just chose to do it in a halter and use the bit for refinement.

Sounds like your trainer does a good job!
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and Taby you mention only using a bit to refine head position...what do you train I'm just curious? My understanding at least in dressage is that you don't use the bit to place the head in a certain carriage...that should all drive from behind. A bit when used properly with other leg and seat cues can be used to teach that but I got the impression from your post that you teach it first then use the bit last to teach head carriage?

Just curious...not being rude so don't take it that way...unless you want to and then you'll have to deal with my posse here ;)
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I prefer to do my dressage my self but I do also teach a very basic western.

When I say bit to refine head position I should explain I find the halter a lot sloppier then the bit when it comes to communication and refinement for the head and neck positions. You are absolutely right that you drive the horse from being into collection and I am someone that rides through the seat not hands but the horse still can drop it's head to low or bend the jawline incorrectly so to correct that to what is considered in proper position you need something that can communicate a little better then a halter so I use the bit. But this is for finished product not for basic training this is for when I can get a little bit picky . Hope that helps.

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I use a curb bit to do the refining I need. First b/c that is what you show in and also you need less movement of your hand. Which a snaffle will not give you however it is a lot closer then a halter or even a bit-less bridle.

However all this starts with the snaffle. They learn to move off the slightest movement of my hand. Which is the very start of refinement. I do not pull my horses around even at the beginning of training.

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