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        08-17-2010, 06:50 PM
      #41
    Green Broke
    Fantastic post as usual smrobs!

    I find it hilarious that harsh bits are associated with gaming - I am as game to graduate to curb as the next person, but I firmly believe you SHOULD game in a snaffle. I don't care how well trained your barrel racer is, I see SO few pics of them actually NECK reining these horses as opposed to cranking the shank sideways in some mutated yank. For high speed precision like that, I want to be able to haul up my reins and give that fine tuned nose tip where it needs to be. I don't think there's any other explanation for me and Shay-la waltzing into the ring and robbing so many ribbons on completely untrained horses in matching french link snaffles! And in youth, the young lady riding her Arab English swept away most of the competition - his cues were so refined from being an English pony, she didn't waste any time with runaways or not being able to stop him! It's VERY rare I EVER see a horse being ridden correctly in a curb, especially in a gaming ring.

    Jynx is going in a D-ring french link snaffle right now, and it's where she'll stay until her neck reining and the rest of her cues are top notch. Really, I haven't graduated many horses to curbs over the years, between my yo-yoing between English and Western, and not really showing, snaffles have always suited my purpose.
         
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        08-17-2010, 07:10 PM
      #42
    Yearling
    The only time I have used anything harsher than a snaffle on Jesse was when I started riding him (I used a kimberwick). I was very little and he was very big. But, he told me when he thought I should move to a snaffle. I was riding along and he curled up and just cantered in a circle. We must have done 30 circles then I slipped off. I got back on and he was fine. We changed back to the snaffle and he has been fine ever since.
         
        08-17-2010, 07:34 PM
      #43
    Green Broke
    MM, I, too, have always been dumbfounded at the intense curbs and wonder bits in gaming. It's been years since I showed Western, but now that I think back....I don't recall a single snaffle. It's truly quite sad. Wonderful post, Smrobs.
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        08-18-2010, 02:03 AM
      #44
    Yearling
    Thanks Smrobs!!!

    I have a big pile of bits and bridles, probably 30 different kinds of bits. I only use one- a full cheek snaffle with a copper mouth. In fact I love it so much I bought another so that a friend and I can go riding together.
         
        08-18-2010, 02:06 AM
      #45
    Banned
    That sounds like a wonderful combo draftrider...where did you get it?
         
        08-18-2010, 02:35 AM
      #46
    Green Broke
    I agree, but I have a question.
    I am riding an arabian gelding whom has been thrown around on mega huge bits until I started riding him again and put him in a tom thumb, he is super resposive to this he flexes at the poll, stops, backs, has great turns and I can do all that with minimal pressure but im afraid to go down to a snaffle do you think he would have an issue with it. He has had history with running away with riders but I have had the problem yet.
         
        08-18-2010, 06:12 AM
      #47
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by draftrider    
    Thanks Smrobs!!!

    I have a big pile of bits and bridles, probably 30 different kinds of bits. I only use one- a full cheek snaffle with a copper mouth. In fact I love it so much I bought another so that a friend and I can go riding together.
    Me too. I was given one with my pony 11 years ago when I got her and bought four more over the years because it seems to be the most agreeable bit with all the different horses coming through. Cougar was going in a loose ring but I lost that bridle in a move and put him back in a full cheek. He's never ridden nicer.
         
        08-18-2010, 06:20 AM
      #48
    Green Broke
    That was sooo informative :)
    Thanks so much smorbs I don't think I will ever use any thing beside a snaffle as I don't want to cause more harm then good
         
        08-18-2010, 02:31 PM
      #49
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    Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    

    I find it hilarious that harsh bits are associated with gaming - I am as game to graduate to curb as the next person, but I firmly believe you SHOULD game in a snaffle. I don't care how well trained your barrel racer is, I see SO few pics of them actually NECK reining these horses as opposed to cranking the shank sideways in some mutated yank. For high speed precision like that, I want to be able to haul up my reins and give that fine tuned nose tip where it needs to be. I don't think there's any other explanation for me and Shay-la waltzing into the ring and robbing so many ribbons on completely untrained horses in matching french link snaffles! And in youth, the young lady riding her Arab English swept away most of the competition - his cues were so refined from being an English pony, she didn't waste any time with runaways or not being able to stop him! It's VERY rare I EVER see a horse being ridden correctly in a curb, especially in a gaming ring.
    I see the exact same thing, MM. One gal, also in 4-H, very consistently places first or second in every speed event that a given show offers. Her horse is lightning fast, loves to run, and knows the patterns. She doesn't use a whip, quirt, or over/under. Almost every year she buys a bigger bit, and her dad must stand at the in-gate and yell at the horse to stop as he runs home to keep him from crashing it. He's dented several gates in local show rings, and they've received warnings from rodeos to deal with the problem or not come back next year. Once the horse is moving, his brakes are gone. I do believe that her current bit is like a cross between a wonder bit and a mechanical hack with a twisted mouth, ridden two handed. Not sure where you go up to from there... Horse's mouth is perpetually wide open, and would be sky high if not for the tie-down.

    I don't game much, at least not competitively. I'm no daredevil and have no desire to become one. My sister does about every discipline out there except for "D" Dressage and saddle seat, and generally places well when she does run poles or barrels purely because of the pleasure miles that her horse has under him. Even though his actual times are a bit slower, they ribbon because they left the course intact.

    So many people think gaming is all about speed; true, trained brakes and steering take a surprisingly distant backburner for a sport that is all about precision and control.
         
        08-18-2010, 05:49 PM
      #50
    Yearling
    D-Link snaffle for me :) The bit my horse came with was not too pleasant and I can't understand why. He does JUST fine in a d-link. He's green and needs more training but it's not the BIT's fault and I would never dream of getting anything harsher.
         

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