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post #521 of 647 Old 01-04-2012, 10:22 AM
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He seems fine in it. If I hadn't read that it was bad on here I never would have guessed.
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I've often wondered bout using that hackimore.. I rode Lolly in a side pull when she was 2..then we 3..snaffle..but she HATED it..so we tried the curb grazing bit..and she loves it..
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I read about 23 of the first pages on here, and wanted to add.

I am a bitless rider, through and through. I don't at all have a problem with bits, if they are used correctly. In the right hands, they can be good, in the wrong hands, they can be bad. Depends on the rider. I ride bitless cause even though my Paint was broke with a bit, and trained in a bit, when I switched to bitless his response was 100 times better. He truly preferred the bitless over a bit.

Bits arent my issue, my issue is that I have talked to some people, and they say riding bitless is like doing delicate work with boxing gloves on, and this is the vibe I get from some of these posts. It seems as if some of the people on here are saying that you cannot get your horse as accurate with bitless, than if you had a bit. That is not true. I can guarantee Stacy could have got the same results if she had started her horses with a bitless bridle.

The bareback, bridless riding Stacy does, takes more precision that anything a horse could do with a bit.
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I'd ask Stacy Westfall that myself, before assuming. Have you seen her signature series of bits, the ones she designed and sells?





Some of those are really kind of icky and harsh. I went to one of her demonstrations and she explicitly stated how important it is to get the horse riding well in a bit before switching to bridleless, and how sometimes it's necessary to get harsh with (intimidate) a horse's mouth for the sake of their training and your safety. She's not a bitless advocate at all, and I'm not sure I'd even consider her a particularly gentle rider.
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I'd ask Stacy Westfall that myself, before assuming. Have you seen her signature series of bits, the ones she designed and sells?





Some of those are really kind of icky and harsh. I went to one of her demonstrations and she explicitly stated how important it is to get the horse riding well in a bit before switching to bridleless, and how sometimes it's necessary to get harsh with (intimidate) a horse's mouth for the sake of their training and your safety. She's not a bitless advocate at all, and I'm not sure I'd even consider her a particularly gentle rider.
I am not arguing that she uses bits, and that those bits may be harsh, I am just saying that someone could get the same results without needing a bit. Yes, maybe she doesnt think so, but I am positive it can happen.

Its a pity that not more bitless riding is allowed in shows...
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That may very well be so--and I believe it theoretically can be done--but I'd like to actually see someone do it. Though there's a HUGE difference between riding truly bridleless, riding with a neck rope, and riding in a halter / bitless bridle. Really no comparison.
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That may very well be so--and I believe it theoretically can be done--but I'd like to actually see someone do it. Though there's a HUGE difference between riding truly bridleless, riding with a neck rope, and riding in a halter / bitless bridle. Really no comparison.
I would like to see it also Yes, their is a huge difference between those.

I can ride with a neck rope, and get perfect responses, but put me on bridless, and I have absolutely no control, as I havent worked off my leg and seat enough.
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Sorry but I can't resist

I don't think any of my horses (at least since 1980) respond to a bit. At least not very well I'd guess (but I don't use bits)

I'll agree that it's the training, not the bit, that makes the difference, but then I'd be silly not to agree since I don't use bits

Ok, back to the regularly scheduled discussion . As a non bit user my views really don't apply in this case.
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I read about 23 of the first pages on here, and wanted to add.

I am a bitless rider, through and through. I don't at all have a problem with bits, if they are used correctly. In the right hands, they can be good, in the wrong hands, they can be bad. Depends on the rider. I ride bitless cause even though my Paint was broke with a bit, and trained in a bit, when I switched to bitless his response was 100 times better. He truly preferred the bitless over a bit.

Bits arent my issue, my issue is that I have talked to some people, and they say riding bitless is like doing delicate work with boxing gloves on, and this is the vibe I get from some of these posts. It seems as if some of the people on here are saying that you cannot get your horse as accurate with bitless, than if you had a bit. That is not true. I can guarantee Stacy could have got the same results if she had started her horses with a bitless bridle.

The bareback, bridless riding Stacy does, takes more precision that anything a horse could do with a bit.

I didn't read any of the posts before my first comment. Just couldn't resist making it
But read a couple on this last page.
Don't let be upset with people who swear by the bit. It's in the training and they depend on the bit to train the horse. With some horses it can take some time to train without the bit. Other probably learn faster without it, because thier not having to deal with something in their mouth.
Like people how swear horses should have shoes vs going unshod their whole life.
I worked cattle (in my younger days) with no bits. Never had shoe on any horse I've owned. Ridden 30+ miles a day along busy roads. Hunted off the back of my QH and have yet to see were I needed a bit. That same QH was the only horse to truly run away (running over .2 of a mile with no control) with me and she had a curbed bit in her mouth at the time. She didn't care about the bit or any pressure in her mouth. She was a run-away. I finally stopped her before she killed us both on the hwy by pulling her head all the way back to the right and she slid onto her side. The bit didn't allow that. Could do that with just a halter. 3 years later I gave the bits away and just rode with halters. Haven't trained with, or owned a bit since.
I don't fault people who use bits. It's thier horse and if it makes them feel safe, then so be it (I used to sleep with my teddy bear when I was little )
It's like when my vet (1970's) kept telling me that I was going to have problems with my first horse's feet, because I refuse to have her shod even after she reached 3 years. It took until she was 6 before he finally told my that she had the best feet he'd seen and wanted to know what I was doing. Just riding her almost every day...it was a working farm ....on the farm and any place I needed to go. Even to town, which was over 30 miles round trip.

In point of fact the OP almost makes the point for you with the statement that you never need to move to a more severe bit if you train properly. Well, you can also say you never need to use a bit if you train correctly

Happy trails, and enjoy riding regardless of how you do it.
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I am not arguing that she uses bits, and that those bits may be harsh, I am just saying that someone could get the same results without needing a bit. Yes, maybe she doesnt think so, but I am positive it can happen.

Its a pity that not more bitless riding is allowed in shows...

Sure that is why so many people are doing what she is doing.

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