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post #571 of 647 Old 06-27-2012, 10:34 PM
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It sounds like you have a wonderfully responsive, relaxed and willing horse. Be grateful, some horses take to this light riding happily, some are so opinionated and resistant that getting such light responses is a constant uphill battle. You mentioned that you have troubles with your hands and fingers; you might enjoy pursuing riding totally bridle-less.

I end up with so many clients struggling with the battle you seemed to have passed right by, its good to hear someone having such a great partnership so easily.

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post #572 of 647 Old 07-30-2012, 10:03 PM
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My trainer says that if your horse is having trouble in a leverage bit or something, bring him back down to a simple snaffle so he can re-understand the concept of the bit again.
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post #573 of 647 Old 08-02-2012, 04:12 PM
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I agree with the original post and fully concur that anything 'more' than a snaffle, be it, single jointed, french link, Dr Bristol, or whatever, is for the more advanced rider to correct faults in the short term, for training purposes, anyway - and then only maybe. However, I would just like to add that whilst I do agree that the causes of pulling, snatching, grinding, evasion, etc., come from poor/bad/ignorant training, that in itself causes emotional and physical scars on the horse and these also have to be treated by sympathetic retraining... in a snaffle or even a bitless bridle. The first question any intelligent rider should ask him/herself is why is my horse evading the bit? Only a fool thinks he's an expert, and no question is ever a stupid question when asked to the right person.
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post #574 of 647 Old 01-27-2013, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by akittrell View Post
I am very new to all of this. We rescued a retired team penning horse that sat in the pasture for 2 years with little human contact. He loves attention and you can tell he was well trained at one time. We have tried 3 different bits at the advice of our feed store owner. 1. tom thumb, 2. wonder bit, and 3. hackamore. When he has the bit in he fights it and bites on it. He has alot of get up and go. Could someone please tell me what we should try that won't hurt him?
You could try a softer bit. A lozenge snaffle, or happy mouth. Alternatively you could try just riding in a halter at the walk and see if he responds. If he fights everything you put in his mouth, why not try a bitless bridle? Not a hackamore, as they are a bit severe.. the kindrider bitless bridle is pretty soft, and crosses under the chin rather than the whole face like a Dr.Cook. Less is more :)
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post #575 of 647 Old 01-27-2013, 05:26 PM
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Snaffle or curb. The people who had my horse before used a twisted wire, and honestly it ruined his mouth. He's getting better, since I use a snaffle now. I'm pretty sure they yanked a lot since he likes to go too fast... I never yank, but I like having the nice soft bit!
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post #576 of 647 Old 01-29-2013, 02:28 AM
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new problems with responding to the bit:Anyone have any helpful suggestions??
I rescued my appendix 3 years ago and I have no history aside what I have found out about him myself: He is in his early twenties, has been taught to neck rein, knows a barrel pattern quite well, he's perfect on the trailer, and has enough energy for 5 horses. I am very much a laid back rider and only trail ride. My horse has always been strong and powerful but when I said "whoa" he would practically do an immediate/sliding stop even at a gallop with little aid.
This past fall after a ride I realized the bit I had been using (basic western port bit) had a crack in it and had made a sore, I felt bad and thought I'd give his mouth a rest and use a hackamore... The first time I used it he was fine the whole ride but the last time we were cantering he randomly started breathing funny and almost seemed to panic (rasping breathing, mouth open, head low, and refused to stop cantering- he just completely tuned me out)- I was on an organized ride and I had MANY people look at the placement of the hackamore on him and they all said it was on correct, not cutting off his breathing or anything.
I stopped using the hackamore and went back to a bit after the sore was gone but since then when I say whoa or cue him to stop at the canter he lowers his head and it is like i do not exist. This is not always the case and most of the time I can EVENTUALLY get him to stop but it's like a constant fight and there have been times I have had to reach up and grab his head to turn him tightly to get him to stop before he runs over people or takes me into the street (he doesn't have the best balance and I'm a large rider and I fear I'll flip him.) In the ring he is a perfect angel so no matter how many times I try and recondition him to whoa in the ring he already gets it. He has that thoroughbred mentality of GO GO GO, and will go for HOURS UPON HOURS before getting tired this is great when we do our long trail rides, but no when he's not stopping at the canter, or Im trying to get him to re-learn how to stop.
My horse that use to make me happy is making me not want to ride anymore...I just don't know where to go from here I feel like it's just getting worse not better, any suggestions would be appreciated. has anyone ever had a problem like this after using a hackamore??
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post #577 of 647 Old 02-07-2013, 07:55 PM
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Unfortunantly no. My best suggestion would be to get someone else to ride him just to see if it might be a rider problem. Second would to be to teach him the one-rein stop on the trail. Start at a walk until he completely gets it, then at trot then canter. Hopefully he gets better, good luck!

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post #578 of 647 Old 03-01-2013, 02:11 PM
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Admit to not having read the 51 pages. But the question is how many people start IN HAND with PROGRESSIVELY educating the horse's mouth to specific responses BEFORE mounting?

Lifting the bit in the horse's mouth teaches it to chew/mobilize the jaw/swallow. And then the handler can allow the horse to chew forward/down/out. Then there is really small (like mm) of lateral flexion w/o asking for longitiudinal flexion as yet. Ideally this is done in a snaffle. Then the handler works the horse in hand, and/or drives it without mounting.

Then by the time the horse is mounted, there is an ease in response. The horse can be ridden up and active, and it knows how to extend the neck (aka chew the reins from the hand, aka 'stretch').

We must keep in mind that snaffles are too keep the horse up/open/folding the hindleg joints, where curbs have a lowering closing influence (on the finished gran prix horses). The actions are progressively learned.

For western peeps the progression was much the same but from hackamore to snaffle to spade.
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post #579 of 647 Old 03-20-2013, 11:02 PM
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I have a mare that refused to bridle , pulled and chewed, swished her tail etc on a full cheek snaffle. She has other issues too, and those of you who have read my other posts have heard the stories.

I decided to ride her in a rope halter and bareback pad until we worked through riding issues and put in extra time with ground work ala Clinton Anderson. Then, a month after I started in fall of 2010, I was in a monster motorcycle accident. I didn't see her for a month and started working with her while i was on a walker.

Fast forward two and a half years. I saddle her, bridle her, and am refining my cues using a french link D ring snaffle she is doing really well but is a little heavy. She also likes to chew the bit and froths a little at the corners of her mouth. She does fair flexing at the poll, but not as much as i would lke. Honestly, we have worked a lot on long and low because she has a tight back and she needed to loosen up while she moved.

I thought we might be ready to move to a shanked bit to get her flexing more at the poll. Plus I ride a lot on the trail and pony other horses, so I want a bit that allows me to communicate one handed and light. We tried a "Myler forward tilt ported barrel" or maybe it's a "Myler low port Mullen barrel"I saw another similar bit on the web called a cow pony bit. . I'm not sure which. I found it in my hand me down tack. It's like a snaffle with a barrel over the link in the middle so it barely breaks. It has medium shanks. We rode once with it yesterday and she was very light and responsive on a loose rein with one hand. She had two times where she lifted her head and tested the bit lightly. She didn't froth or chew much but she was relaxed. Her head was higher than normal but not too bad.

What do you experts think? I know it's hard to say without video and I live in a situation with low tech. Should I move to a shanked bit? Which is the best to start with? Would she do better with a cricket since she likes to work things in her mouth?
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post #580 of 647 Old 03-22-2013, 05:21 PM
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Does she know how to neck rein?

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