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        06-26-2013, 09:07 PM
    Love this! A few years ago I bought a horse and was told if I didn't already have one that I better get a twisted wire sliding gag bit for this horse other wise she would never stop. When I got on to ride her I thought she had asthma because she would breath heavy, but I bought her anyway got her home and when id bring out my saddle and hack with a 4in wide paded nose band (least harsh) she would start to breath heavy. I then realized it was a panic attack. So it took me 2 weeks for her to know I wasn't going to hurt her when I rode her. And another 2 weeks to teach her to stop. I took her to our first show together and ran a perfect barrel pattern and all patterns and as I exited the ring the previous owners father yells out "that's how I taught that horse" and everyone yelled no its not are you even sure that's the same horse? I replied yes with just one month of new training! I could have ran that horse with a lead and halter where the could only run her with a twistef sliding gag and she would still run thru the bit! I was very proud!
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        08-01-2013, 10:52 PM
    Any advice for me?

    I read your entire post...makes sense. I am not a beginner but, neither an expert. Here is my issue. I have 9 year old quarter horse mare (ex-race track mare) I bought her in March of this year. Since then I have rode her almost everyday. I really like her. BUT, she really shakes her head side to side when asking for a stop. She side passes, backs, lopes circles, all around does everything pretty good. She just has to "shake" before she'll stop. By the way, I have been riding here with a sweet six with a life saver mouthpiece. I have tried a snug tie down, no tie down. She'll lope off at a stand still but when you ask for a STOP...she'll shake bad side to side. Her teeth are ok and no other problems at all. Whatcha' think?
        08-01-2013, 10:56 PM
    Howdy and welcome to the forum . Is there any way that you can get a video of what she's doing? I'm having a bit of difficulty picturing what you're describing.
        08-03-2013, 09:26 AM
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    Can you ride her in a plain snaffle?
        08-09-2013, 02:20 PM
    Well, I need some serious help then. Just got a new horse, and while he is super easy to turn and move, when he gets going, even at a trot, canter, or gallop, he is nearly impossible to stop. I use a plain snaffle and I try not to be to hard with my hands, but sometimes it is necessary to stop him. I don't want to be hurting my horse, or turn him into a "hard" horse. What should I do?!
        08-12-2013, 10:53 AM
    Originally Posted by Tigger115    
    Well, I need some serious help then. Just got a new horse, and while he is super easy to turn and move, when he gets going, even at a trot, canter, or gallop, he is nearly impossible to stop. I use a plain snaffle and I try not to be to hard with my hands, but sometimes it is necessary to stop him. I don't want to be hurting my horse, or turn him into a "hard" horse. What should I do?!
    I think rather than pull back with both reins in this situation you should teach your horse the one rein stop. Yanking back on his mouth is just yelling in his language and then he won't listen to anything less. When he gets going too fast, circle him. Do the one rein stop to begin with and go back to basics.

    Ask for a walk then slowly cue the stop; shift your weight back in your seat or whatever you do with your body to 'woah' your horses before even putting tension in the reins, then lightly cue the reins, gradually more and more until the stop comes, then automatic release of pressure.

    You do this enough and with consistency he will become much more sensitive to your cues and not tune you out, but until he understands this cue do the one rein stop for your safety.
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        08-14-2013, 03:41 AM
    Didn't read the entire post, but most of it. It's 12 am and I've kinda got a headache...

    But from what I have read, I have to say I completely agree... my entire horsey-life I was taught "Never use a tom thumb on ANY horse, it's a horrible bit, the most harsh bit out there! Over the years I've sort of come up with my own belief that a bit is only as hash as the hands that use them.

    I usually ride my mare in a snaffle bit, but the other day we had trailered the horses out to an arena and I forgot my bridle... couldn't go back to get it so it was either a trip for nothing or I borrow a friend's headstall with a copper tom thumb... so I figured I would try out the tom thumb.

    Tried it on my horse, she did perfectly fine. I had 10x lighter hands than usual and she responded correctly to every single thing I asked her as if we were in a snaffle.

    It's all about the hands that use the bit and how the horse is trained and used on a daily basis...
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        09-04-2013, 07:47 PM
    I agree with every word you said. However my horse throws her head with a bit because *******s before us were so hard on her mouth she has scars on the left side inside her mouth. So I just ride her in a halter
        11-12-2013, 06:06 PM
    I've been trying to educate myself on different bits that are available and what they all do but I have been having a hard time. There are so many people who should know what they're talking about who have really wacky views on bits (the more I learn about them, the more I realize this) so how should I go about learning more about bits? How did you all learn? From other trainers or experience or ??? I don't just want to be able to describe what a ___ bit looks like but how it works, what it should be used for, what it should NOT be used for, etc.
        11-12-2013, 06:24 PM
    There are bits about the different kinds of bits (like http://www.amazon.com/The-Ultimate-Book-Horse-Bits/dp/1628737379/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384298304&sr=8-1&keywords=book+on+horse+bits ) , and there are books about how to (re) train the mouth/balance (like http://www.amazon.com/Twisted-Truths-Modern-Dressage-Alternative-ebook/dp/B00B0SA9CA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384298342&sr=8-1&keywords=philippe+karl ).

    I have learn by training by masters for many years, and experimenting. Horses with problems must be restarted from the beginning. That means lungeing from a caveson, learning (with work in hand first) HOW to RESPOND to our ACTIONS. Learning how to be balanced/how to mobilize the jaw/how to teach the horse to seek fdo METHODICALLY. Almost always (in today's world) the snaffle is used for longitudinal flexion (which is not its intension). The snaffle and the curb have totally different uses. And too many things horses are happy with a bit when they get submission, rather than specific RESPONSES. That means the rider have CALCULATED tact and timing as well as TRAINING METHODOLOGY. This was true until the 80s, when submission and longitudinal flexion became the driving forces.

    Although horses may toss there heads/etc because of previous poor training, it is up to the new rider to start with education and teach the horse how to properly respond. It is a methodical process from in hand (even w/o bits) to proper lateral flexion to gradual longitudinal flexion

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