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post #601 of 647 Old 11-12-2013, 11:40 PM Thread Starter
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Mango, where much of my knowledge came from is a lifetime of riding horses in different bits, seeing what worked and what didn't work and learning how to handle a particular bit to get a good response from it. Some of it was taught to me by more experienced horsemen and some I learned on my own from horses' reactions to how the bit was handled, both in my own horses and what I saw in observation of others riding their own horses.

Another good place to start will be in the Tack and Equipment section here. There are a couple of posts that are stickied at the top of that section, one about snaffles and english bits and another that I did about western and curb bits. That will help to give you a start anyway.

Also, don't be afraid to ask on here. If you see a bit and you want to know more about it's function and proper use, post a thread with a picture and there will be plenty of people willing to explain how it works and what its proper usage is.

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post #602 of 647 Old 11-24-2013, 09:30 PM
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The most common type of English bit is the Dee ring, which, from the side, looks like a "D". It is one of the easiest bits on a horse, meaning that it isn't as harsh as other types. A "happy mouth" is the easiest because it is made of rubber.
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post #603 of 647 Old 12-21-2013, 05:22 AM
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Results come from what you put in their head,
not what you put on it.[/QUOTE]
I have come to discover a one rein practice gives good training response
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post #604 of 647 Old 12-21-2013, 07:41 AM
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When a teen, a dressage rider for Germany, told us if we didn't get the responses we wanted in a snaffle bit to go back to basics and plug the holes in the training. Years later I wound up owning what many would consider a hard mouthed horse. I discovered part of his issue was the thickness of the bit. I switched from an eggbutt to a loose ring, both having a single joint. He was more responsive in the loose ring. One day I decided to check his responses if I merely tickled the rein with my pinky. I was amazed at the quickness of his responses. He became light as a feather. I did the same with another horse and was soon getting the same responses. It's not just about asking but it's about the speed of the rider's release as well.
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post #605 of 647 Old 02-24-2014, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexisPaige View Post
...This man can collect any horse in 10 minutes by using the double reins he invented. and if it doesn't work, He'll give you a full refund.
Then it is not real collection. Many horses simply are not fit enough in the right areas to collect properly after 10 minutes of work.
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post #606 of 647 Old 02-24-2014, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexisPaige View Post
After reading through this forum, I can conclude that I MAY be the only one in here that knows about Al Ragusins - Double Reins. If you go to alragusin.com you can watch 10-12 hours of FREE training videos. This man can collect any horse in 10 minutes by using the double reins he invented. And if it doesn't work, He'll give you a full refund.
You cannot achieve real collection by using any sort of reins or bit to hold the horses head in - collection comes from creating impulsion from behind and riding a horse forwards into a light resisting hand
You can create a head set but that is not collection.
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post #607 of 647 Old 02-24-2014, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexisPaige View Post
...If you watch the videos you can see for yourself that the horses are properly collected.
The screen capture below comes from 10 min & 47 seconds into this video:

One of the Eight Videos in the Training Your Own Horse DVD - YouTube

It is supposed to be good riding with a really good leg position. (See at 10 minutes, also).

Anyone who wants to take riding advice from this can do so. I suggest passing on it.
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post #608 of 647 Old 02-24-2014, 06:09 PM
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Collection has very little to do with headset. Collection starts with moving from the behind- impulsion- and moves forward. The horse will then carry its back, shoulders, neck, and finally the head properly. Using gadgets, like double reins, may create a headset but will NOT achieve collection.

Edit: I just realized jaydee and I said the same thing. Sorry about that!

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post #609 of 647 Old 02-28-2014, 07:51 PM
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(That vid looks like a prescription for a horse flipping over because of the effect on the bars.....not safe.)
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post #610 of 647 Old 03-24-2014, 09:18 AM
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Great article.

I was noticing what you wrote about having soft hands. At one point during my involvement with horses, I thought I knew a lot. Now I really see how little I know. Unfortunately, my horse is the one that paid for my ignorance.

I can not change the past, but I can make every effort to improve the future!
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