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        10-24-2009, 10:29 AM
      #21
    Banned
    I keep asking myself if this is experience talking or just an opinion??
    As to all those holes in the training would all of you put your horse's and your life on the line to show there are no holes??
    In the real world, the world beside busy highways, flying trains and tricky water crossing you better have no holes or you are dead.
    Safely tucked in an arena with walls or fencing all around you is like driving in an empty parking lot and giving advice to others that drive in the real world
         
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        10-24-2009, 11:32 AM
      #22
    Weanling
    I'm not planning on switching him to the Wonder Bit anytime soon. This is for the way future, when we're done with whatever we're doing with him. I'll make sure he knows how to stop and slow down really well with just the Eggbutt Snaffle before I switch him. Yeah, he's still got a lot of holes, but I'll make sure those are fixed before I put him in a new bit. I just wanted to know what you guys thought about this bit.
         
        10-24-2009, 07:54 PM
      #23
    Trained
    Exactly why I gave the advice I did. I ride in the real world. :)
         
        10-24-2009, 11:05 PM
      #24
    Trained
    I don't know if a gag bit is any harsher than a curb bit. I use one occasionaly to help a horse break at the poll. They don't raise the head either if you don't release pressure untill the head is lowered. A horse will search till it finds the release. Gag bits usualy take longer before everything pulls tight giving the horse more time to respond. NO BIT IS HARSH IN THE RIGHT HANDS!!!!
         
        10-25-2009, 09:02 AM
      #25
    Started
    But any bit is harsh in the wrong hands
         
        10-25-2009, 09:35 AM
      #26
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by savvylover112    
    But any bit is harsh in the wrong hands
    Hence the OP's original problem! Horses learn to not stop because people haul thier horse to a stop and never release the pressure. Then they push them forward and pretty soon the horse ignores the bit. One way to fix the problem without apply excessive amounts of pressure on the horses mouth is to change the type of pressure the horse is feeling. A horse that won't stop is like a car being driven with the brake on. At first all you have to do is take your foot off the gas and the car stops. After a while the brakes get worn and the car doesn't stop so well so you can change the brakes and keep on driving or you can figure out how to drive without riding the brakes.
         
        10-25-2009, 10:45 AM
      #27
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    Hence the OP's original problem! Horses learn to not stop because people haul thier horse to a stop and never release the pressure. Then they push them forward and pretty soon the horse ignores the bit. One way to fix the problem without apply excessive amounts of pressure on the horses mouth is to change the type of pressure the horse is feeling. A horse that won't stop is like a car being driven with the brake on. At first all you have to do is take your foot off the gas and the car stops. After a while the brakes get worn and the car doesn't stop so well so you can change the brakes and keep on driving or you can figure out how to drive without riding the brakes.
    OR they can change HOW they're asking :)
         
        10-25-2009, 12:02 PM
      #28
    Started
    ^^^^^^Exactly
         
        10-25-2009, 10:53 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    It seems to me like switching to a gag from a snaffle is a rather harsh and desperate measure. I know you say that you are going to work on his stopping before you switch, which arises the question with me, If you are going to fix the problem with his normal bit, why switch to a drastically harsher bit afterwards? Just seems inconsistent. I personally think if you go back to the basics and retrain and reinforce your whoa or stopping commands you have no need to put unnecessary metal in your pals mouth. If you think you have a problem now, just imagine when he pushes through a bit as severe as a gag? What are you going to do then? No, I think you just need to take a step back.
    As for the original post, I hate the wonder bit! People say that it is only harsh if used in the wrong hands. Well imho anyone who still needs a trainer has the wrong hands for a bit like that, so unless your trainer is the only one touching those reins while that is in his mouth, id say don't do it.
    Good Luck!!
         

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