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        08-05-2011, 05:59 PM
      #81
    Doe
    Weanling
    Firstly Mr Trochas article accomplished nothing. (in positive non self-assuming terms)

    It was designed as a self serving, self advertising pr stunt. It not the words or attitude of somebody who wants to help people. It would not help those he aims at to understand. The people clapping will be those who already agree as this whole thread demonstrates.

    Whoopee.

    Secondly it is based once again on frankly impotent designs of the herd structure. For one as Kevin also mentioned previously, there is little truth in the 'lead mare' that is so commonly and ignorantly used as the base for most equine methodology. Not only that but do you really think that we can speak 'horse'? They kick, so we kick....... They bite so we bite.....is it the same? If the same were applied to other domesticated animals like dogs, we'd train them by pissing all over them or dry humping. We are not horses. We are not dogs. They recognise that and so should we. We have much more effective methods and abilities in our power. Let's use them and move away from this archaic ignorance perpetuated by fear and egotism.

    Just a thought
         
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        08-05-2011, 06:26 PM
      #82
    Showing
    Over many years I have learned that sometimes we just have to clobber a horse that is extremetly disrespectful. On the other hand I will work with it in a way that invites the horse to be respectful so that I never have to hit it again. I do work a horse at liberty and allow it to either work with me or stand at the far end of the paddock. I'll just grab a book, a chair and wait. I have learned that many horses are compliant but not necessarily trusting. I have one that was very fearful yet compliant. We are working on the trust and he's no longer fearful. He was often jumpy altho careful to avoid me, explosive and bolt. That hasn't happened in a month now as he's like a new horse.
         
        08-05-2011, 07:36 PM
      #83
    Foal
    I actually really liked this article, I find most people around me have this fluffly pink view of horses that puts them in serious danger... I was out with a coworker, she wanted to come into the pasture while I caught my horse - I gave her a rope and told her to keep the other horses at a distance, don't get between any, don't get behind any...

    I look over a minute later, she's drowned in about 15 horses, I can barely see her. They must have all thought she had treats... she obviously did not realize all it would take is one horsey-disagreement to get the whole crowd moving on top of her. She also laughed when I told her some of the horses bite... >_> she won't be coming out again.
         
        08-05-2011, 08:15 PM
      #84
    Banned
    I love to be stereotyped

    Quote:
    The self described NH people, particularly those who talk about "bonding" tend to appeal to a certain type of amatuer horseperson. In the hunter world, we would talk about those amateur in terms of 4 Fs - forty, fat, fearful and female.
    Is the goofy woman in that email applying NH techniques correctly? Of course not. Is it the NH practitioner's fault? No. Is it really a valid example of the method? Nope. But the fact of the matter is, a lot of NH trainers or in general, people who want to sell DVDs, *know* that that's their market.
    I happen to be a few years past 40, and fat, and whatever you said 'we' women are, oh I see from the top fearful AND female.

    NH works. Not if you accept every written pearl of wisdom, but because it's based on how the natural horse lives in the natural environment. I am NOT an amateur, fearful or forty, but wow you got 1/4th of me right. The only thing you so sadly don't know is a bond with a horse. Horses are extremely intelligent animals that yes will walk all over someone for treats, but for you to say they can't love is stupidity at it's finest. You want to tell me that certain birds mate for life, and dolphins and whales can die from grief, but horses can't bond and love? You disgust me, and taking this poor woman as an example since she obviously knows nothing, is a cheap shot.
    Cheryl, extremely loved by a morab
         
        08-06-2011, 12:35 AM
      #85
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Doe    
    Not only that but do you really think that we can speak 'horse'? They kick, so we kick....... They bite so we bite.....is it the same? If the same were applied to other domesticated animals like dogs, we'd train them by pissing all over them or dry humping. We are not horses. We are not dogs. They recognise that and so should we. We have much more effective methods and abilities in our power. Let's use them and move away from this archaic ignorance perpetuated by fear and egotism.

    Just a thought
    Doe, I think we have finally agreed on something!
         

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