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    05-26-2013, 11:56 AM
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Yearling
Wanted to add that the above has worked for me. The horse quickly begins to do what is asked of her when asked, and rarely repeats. What's wrong with that?
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    05-26-2013, 12:08 PM
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Foal
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Originally Posted by tiffanyodonnell    
Wanted to add that the above has worked for me. The horse quickly begins to do what is asked of her when asked, and rarely repeats. What's wrong with that?
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I repeatedly said this is more specifically addressing aggressive actions, such as biting or kicking, not anything that you mentioned.
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    05-26-2013, 12:10 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by Paso Fino    
So often I see someone ask about a disrespectful horse (usually in the form of biting). I always see an answer along the lines of "don't smack the horse! Make them do circles until you say stop!"

The point of a punishment is to associate the unwanted action with the consequence, therefore breaking the horse of the unwanted action.

I fail to see why making a horse work as a form of punishment is a good thing. I've seen plenty of horses take advantage of this, continue the habit yet go off and do circles on their own. That or they resent doing something like circles all together because they associate it with punishment.

Do you use work as punishment? If so why?
How it was always explained to me..

When HorseA does something annoying to HorseB in the herd, HorseB makes HorseA move their feet. When you make your horse work as a form of punishment, you are controlling their feet and in the horse world, the one controlling the feet is the on In Charge. Now, since we're people and not horses, we have to escalate it a little bit, especially for things that are considered normal behavior amongst horses (like biting). We have to make them work more enthusiastically because little things like that can turn into Big Things and Dangerous Things so we have to be very sure we really get the point across.
     
    05-26-2013, 07:47 PM
  #24
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Sharpie    
Circles can be a tool. A firm smack can be a tool. A verbal correction can be a tool. It all depends on the undesirable behavior, the situation, and the horse. I rode with a cantle pack for the first time ever today, Jayne thought it was a horse eating monster I wanted to toss on top of him, but we were in his stall- not really the place for circles, and adding energy to his already brimming nervous energy is a recipe for badness, so I made him yield his shoulders and hips. He WANTS to run circles in mindless fear, but it's not the right tool in this situation to get him to calm down and focus on me and not whatever monster he's imagining. When he's just being fidgety and not wanting to stand properly, then backing or circles come into play and suddenly he's square and quiet.

Use the right tools at the right time to get the acceptable behavior.
Couldn't have said it better myself!!
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    05-27-2013, 01:46 PM
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Yearling
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Originally Posted by Paso Fino    
I repeatedly said this is more specifically addressing aggressive actions, such as biting or kicking, not anything that you mentioned.
In aggressive actions, the best tool is a good whack or kick. But not all horses respond well to that. That paint mare I mentioned is one. She just escalates with head high. For her, work was better. My gelding responds better to the smack.
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