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  • Ottb + walk to canter transition ok?
  • Training ottb to engage hind end

 
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    11-19-2010, 10:03 PM
  #21
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Ak1    
Yes. Redtree, the transitions can be done from canter :)
how would you go about teaching the transition from walk to canter??
     
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    11-20-2010, 12:14 AM
  #22
Weanling
Do you have any tips for getting a OTTB to accept bit contact? My mare will stop okay and doesn't run through the bit anymore, but she doesn't like contact and she doesn't reach to the contact. When I try to ride her with contact, she holds her head higher and really grinds her teeth on the bit. Could it be her teeth? I think she got them checked before I got her, but I could be wrong.
     
    11-20-2010, 02:33 AM
  #23
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by xxJustJumpItxx    
Do you have any tips for getting a OTTB to accept bit contact? My mare will stop okay and doesn't run through the bit anymore, but she doesn't like contact and she doesn't reach to the contact. When I try to ride her with contact, she holds her head higher and really grinds her teeth on the bit. Could it be her teeth? I think she got them checked before I got her, but I could be wrong.

I had the same problem with my tb, thy weren't taught to accecpt contact or anything so they know nothing about it.
I was told to do lots of circles, serpentines to get him to use his bum then his head will come down and he will search for contact.
I was like yer what ever that wont work, but amazinly it has :) his head has gone lower and he is reaching for the contact, unfortunatley when he started that he got bashed up the next day so I haven't ridden him since, hopefully he will do it next time haha.
It is a slow process though
     
    11-20-2010, 09:32 AM
  #24
Ak1
Banned
Just jump it, circles will work miracles for just about any horse. In order to get your horse to accept bit contact, then just start on a circle. (Preferably a comfortable size of half of the ring. Take a sitting trot, and ask for a little bend (gently wiggle each wrist in the motion that you crack a lunge whip with). Use your leg and drive your horse into the bend (not faster, but just move him steadily forward). Make sure you still maintain the bend of the circle, but this will engage his hind. Sit back and tall and straight, play with your hands, and push him forward. When he's conqured that, you can try around the whole ring, figures, and even try posting( which generally is a little harder to maintain). Hope this helps! Good luck Redtree!
Brenna
     
    11-20-2010, 09:39 AM
  #25
Ak1
Banned
Walk-Canter can be a difficult transition. I would suggest that your horse has mastered a trot to canter and it's a sharp, concise signal that you're giving. (a.k.a the horse has NO steps of "rushing" inbetween the two gaits.) If you're horse is good with that, then just bring him/her to a walk and leg him stretch out a few strides. Next, collect him up a little bit, and give your canter cues( I recommend that when asking for a canter from a walk, that you use the outside leg and press it on for a few seconds. Don't throw your hands forward and you can -ONLY FOR THE FIRST FEW TIMES- say the word "canter". The first few maybe a little chopy, but when your horse does it well, reward himand canter around a few times then allow him/her to stop. If your horse's transition feels too slopy, just try to ride it out and make him canter even if there are some running steps. After they pick up, canter a small distance then stop and try again. Eventaully your horse will get it. Make sure the reward is to canter a few times around then stop. If you're having trouble with walk to canter, try a halt to canter. Sometimes your horse will understand more. Thanks! Hope this helps!
Good luck
Brenna
     
    11-21-2010, 10:49 AM
  #26
Trained
A Walk to Canter transition should only be done when the horse *REGARDLESS OF BREED* is properly conditioned and BALANCED. When the rider and horse have accomplished the fundamentals of the Training Scale and when the horse is on his hind end, and not on his forehand - can the transition be accomplished.

YOU - as the rider MUST be correct with your position in your tack, balanced, using your SEAT and LEGS and CORE with a tall upper body, and BALANCED over their horses center of gravity, knowing how to use their body properly to ask for the transition clearly. If you are not correct with your body and your aids, you are not helping at all.

Dressage, Dressage, Dressage, Dressage!
     
    11-21-2010, 11:01 AM
  #27
Trained
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Do you have any tips for getting a OTTB to accept bit contact? My mare will stop okay and doesn't run through the bit anymore, but she doesn't like contact and she doesn't reach to the contact. When I try to ride her with contact, she holds her head higher and really grinds her teeth on the bit. Could it be her teeth? I think she got them checked before I got her, but I could be wrong.
JustJumpIt - this issue has nothing to do with whether your horse is a TB or not....a horse is a horse...and the issues you are mentioning, could be saddle fit, or something you are doing while in the tack.

When a head goes up, the back has to drop. When the head goes up and the back drops, your horse is on his forehand - so you aren't going to accomplish anything when this is happening.

First, decipher whether you have a properly fitted saddle. Your horse could be dropping his back and stiffening up because it hurts - so get that checked out first. Then get his back checked out. He could be out, hurting - something going on to cause his back to hollow out.

Your seat could also be too heavy or too loud. Stop and ask yourself "What is it that I am doing, or not doing, that is causing the outcome I am getting in this situation" what is missing?

Go back to the Training Scale! Seat into Legs into Hands to Soften!

Can you get Dressage Lessons? There are holes here - gaping loud and clear saying "HELLO!"

Rhythm
Relaxation
Contact
Impulsion
Straitness
Collection

You must fill in the holes to accomplish what you are trying at this point.

Seat into Legs into Hands to Soften. Inside leg into outside rein. You must get the rhythm and the impulsion first, asking the back to round up into your seat *if he can...might not because of pain* getting the horse onto their hind end and tracking up/engaging forward, riding inside leg into outside rein - getting the horse to move correctly first, using himself correctly first, then the head will come.
     
    11-22-2010, 11:18 AM
  #28
Ak1
Banned
MI, you're right... a horse is a horse but the thread was mainly started for OTTBs because they tend to have similar habits. Thanks for the advice though, I love those outstanding dressage words! :)
     
    11-22-2010, 10:17 PM
  #29
Trained
Hmmm, the question on how to get a walk-canter transition and how to accept bit contact - has NOTHING to do with TB's. How to obtain contact, is dressage. And how to get nice upward transitions, is dressage based...not breed based.

The questions asked, have answers that have NOTHING to do with whether the horse is a TB or a QH......educated riding, is educated riding.
     
    11-23-2010, 04:19 PM
  #30
Ak1
Banned
Yes MI that's where they're based, not on breed at all, but this was just started for people owning their own OTTB to come and post their problems. And, what I was saying is that OTTB's are not trained to accept contact, so that's the way I was approaching it
     

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