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    01-21-2012, 02:36 PM
  #21
Trained
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Originally Posted by Walkamile    
Sarah, do you think it's a case of being close minded, or mindful of one's own safety?

I've ridden my lovely mare with several stallions over the years, and they were gentlemen, but the riders were very experienced and watchful. I have had the unfortunate experience of riding with one stallion and rider that were not. Made for a very tense ride. I have never ridden with that particular stallion since.

I'm not Sarah, but in my friend's cases it's closed mindedness. I understand if you have a bad ride with a certain horse/rider combo not riding with them again, regardless whether it's a stallion, gelding, yeld or mare. But these individuals refuse to ride with any stallion....PERIOD, if they know before hand that one is coming on the ride the will stay home or go on another ride. They both know all 3 of my stallions, have known them since birth and know how I train them. Doesn't matter. Heck these 2 are so closed minded about stallions, they don't even like to come over to my place, especially not during breeding season, just because the stallions are HERE. Never mind that none of them has EVER done anything to one of these women, they just absolutely are terrified of stallions. They loved my boys and enjoyed playing with them as babies, but as soon as they turned about 1 year old....that's it, won't come near them anymore. One's now 5, the other 3 and another 2, so it's not like they haven't been around them.
     
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    01-21-2012, 06:31 PM
  #22
Green Broke
Yep Dreamcatcher, that certainly is closed mindedness, to the degree of prejudice. Have they ever explained why they feel so threatened by any of your stallions? It is very curious to say the least.

Most stallion owners/riders that I have ridden with are so very respectful of the "bubble" of other horses. I wish most riders were so respectful. I've had more issues with inattentive riders of defensive geldings to temperamental mares. Unfortunately they don't pay any attention to that bubble and put my horses in a bad position, me included. I've actually had one riding with it's muzzle on my horses tail head. Or, they've crowded me and my horse off the trail and right into the trees. Of course all it takes is one ride like that and I volunteer to ride drag , if I ride with them at all.
     
    01-21-2012, 06:38 PM
  #23
Trained
When I show, and rode a stallion, I expected perfect behavior from him, 100% of the time. It is what is trained for and it is what I got, 99% of the time, the 1% was punished, harshly. I never bothered vicksing his nose, he knew when & where he could be interested & "talk" to girls, while I was handling him, was not it, & he respected that. Now the thing that really scared me about riding a stallion? Other people's mares, I always had to be on guard, we had some near misses in the showpen. We got saved more than once by a ringsteward.
     
    01-21-2012, 08:17 PM
  #24
Banned
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Originally Posted by Walkamile    
Sarah, do you think it's a case of being close minded, or mindful of one's own safety?
It depends on the situation, really. In MY personal situation it's closed mindedness. Horses can be dangerous, regardless of their gender. Everyone I ride with and friends of mine that have visited my farm know that my stallion is a well mannered boy. He gets complimented all the time because he acts like a 30 yr old gelding... and he's a 7 year old stallion.

If he wasn't trained and WAS dangerous, well I would understand no one wanting to go on a trail ride with him. I wouldn't want to be near a horse like that on the trail either...

And I have run into really, for lack of a better word, STUPID people on horses with no manners and no respect on the trails. I don't think any of them were stallions.

IMO a horse is a horse (of course,) they are ALL dangerous, and therefor they ALL need thorough training and a good handler.
     
    01-21-2012, 09:12 PM
  #25
Green Broke
^^^ yep.
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    01-21-2012, 11:58 PM
  #26
Trained
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Originally Posted by Walkamile    
Yep Dreamcatcher, that certainly is closed mindedness, to the degree of prejudice. Have they ever explained why they feel so threatened by any of your stallions? It is very curious to say the least.
It isn't my stallions per se, they just are terrified of stallions. We rode in a Christmas parade (I rode a gelding) and they were on their mares and another guy, part of another group not near us, was on a very well behaved appy stallion. During one of the parade stops these gals noticed the Appy's equipment and left the parade, even though he was a/ 2 groups ahead of us and b/ 3/4 of the way through the parade before they figured out he wasn't a gelding. THAT is just plum stupid if you ask me.

In the beginning when I mentioned I wanted to take my stallion on a trail ride in a group setting one of the 2 said, "Well, I'll just stay home then, I don't want to get mounted in the middle of the trail." I was utterly flumoxed. This is a stallion who has shown at the national level ever since he was a weanling, in mixed groups and in stallion only classes (can you say FIGHT if not well trained handler AND horse?) and has NEVER offered to do a thing to anyone or anyhorse. I've never allowed him to be Regumated or have his hormones messed with because I feel training is what needs to happen, not chemical castration. His very first show under saddle at 3 years old, there were some stalls right by the arena for patron's horses. There were a couple of mares in heat in those stalls and of course, they saw/smelled him and squealed. He gave a VERY soft whinny/nicker as he rode by and I swear I thought the trainer was going to behead him right then and there. He's never offered to do it again. AND THAT WAS IT, the worst thing he's ever done.

Honestly, now that I think back on it, I don't think either of those 2 have seen him since he turned 2 and we went to Sport Horse Nationals in KY. He's now 5 and been to several Regional and National Championships and never had a problem.

Other than the trainer, I'm the only one who handles/rides him and I've been handling stallions for 30 years, so it's not like I don't know what they're like or that it can be dicey if you're not careful with them. He's very respectful and if I even think he's going to push his luck, I push HIM and hard.
     
    01-22-2012, 09:45 AM
  #27
Foal
Interesting thoughts about neighing/ no talking. Not trusting stallions or trusting stallions completely. I guess it is personal preference and what is best for the stallion. Safety is important to me but. I don't understand stallions perfectly, sometimes I don't get the way they act but I'm not a stallion but I do try to understand that is must be horrible to have these hormones and urges to breed and to have people say no after parading mares around them,...for reasons they definitely don't know or care about. It is a wonder they listen to us at all. ^^

I think people run into problems because they forget what is important to a stallion. I understand that talking can encourage some to get more excited and loose focus on the task but in my case, I tend not to care about the noises, it tells me what he is thinking and he should be able to get his message to the mare because the mare will tell him no and they usually, if they are more experienced stallions they get it and move on instead of constantly wondering if they could and constantly asking. Does this even make sense. XD

I also agree with SarahAnn, any horse can be dangerous.

Training is important but we have to give some credit to the horses themselves as they learn to deal with their own feeling/needs/wants and learning to deal with our wants. I hope someday I learn and understand enough to train mine even better.
     
    01-22-2012, 09:52 AM
  #28
Yearling
When I had my stallion out, nobody knew he was one.
He was always the quietest horse around. Period.
So I just never said anything unless someone asked me or commented on my nice gelding.
It was cool to see some of the faces.
But he was a one in a million stud. That is why he was a stud. His disposition.
D
     
    01-22-2012, 09:55 AM
  #29
Foal
Sounds like a good disposition to me. :)
     
    01-22-2012, 09:56 AM
  #30
Showing
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
But no matter what stallions are stallions and horses are horses - saftey is priority for yourself and others around you.
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This. Treat them like a horse. My horses (especially the fellas) are expected to behave 100% of the time, no exceptions. They are to conduct themselves like gentlemen regardless of what's going on around them, be it lined up head to tail with a mare in heat in front of them, riding, etc. Consequences for misbehavior are swift and to the point. I honestly couldn't tell you the last time either had to be corrected for stud behavior.
     

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