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    01-22-2012, 10:36 AM
  #31
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Originally Posted by Cintillate    
Interesting thoughts about neighing/ no talking. Not trusting stallions or trusting stallions completely. I guess it is personal preference and what is best for the stallion. Safety is important to me but. I don't understand stallions perfectly, sometimes I don't get the way they act but I'm not a stallion but I do try to understand that is must be horrible to have these hormones and urges to breed and to have people say no after parading mares around them,...for reasons they definitely don't know or care about. It is a wonder they listen to us at all. ^^

I think people run into problems because they forget what is important to a stallion. I understand that talking can encourage some to get more excited and loose focus on the task but in my case, I tend not to care about the noises, it tells me what he is thinking and he should be able to get his message to the mare because the mare will tell him no and they usually, if they are more experienced stallions they get it and move on instead of constantly wondering if they could and constantly asking. Does this even make sense. XD

I also agree with SarahAnn, any horse can be dangerous.

Training is important but we have to give some credit to the horses themselves as they learn to deal with their own feeling/needs/wants and learning to deal with our wants. I hope someday I learn and understand enough to train mine even better.

Have you ever been on the other end of a lead line when a stallion belts out his love song? It's literally like having someone come up and SHOUT into your ear. Its not cute. It's really loud and can be painful. And therefore, it's disrespectful. IMO.

Plus if he's singing love songs to the ladies, it means he's not focused on me. Any of my horses that are distracted and not focusing on me when they're working get redirected and corrected. Stallion or not.

Make sense?
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    01-22-2012, 11:43 AM
  #32
Foal
Yes that does make sense.


Haha, I have been around my horse and the 12hh guy has a huge voice compared to the larger horses I have seen. Guess he wants to be heard or is compensating. ^^ I

I think you missed my point of view. I was saying it was interesting on how people have different takes on stallions. Some people think they shouldn't be in the area, others love them and are comfortable with them. People are entitled to their views and I like reading it, widens my own.

That kind of neigh I don't tolerate. It depends on the situation and the horse to me. If I am with other people I don't risk my horse doing what he wants he has to obey me and he knows that and I will correct him. If I'm riding with others everyone's safety first. I understand it may be going against his nature a bit but it isn't an excuse but I don't blame or hold it against him.

But what I do with my stallion and mare is different and not saying anyone has to. My mare and stallion are together as much as possible even with a foal so he gets close to a natural life. When we ride even if she is in heat he knows what to do and what not. But I understand what he wants and what he goes against in order to listen to me. Stallions are made for breeding by nature and in the wild they will fight other stallions. Of course I won't let him fight, I don't care if he wants to or not, he can't. If he wants to neigh at her fine. She can neigh back, usually she completely ignores him. Poor guy. But I don't let it interfere with what we are doing unless I say ok, I just don't mind the noise. If she is interested and I plan on breeding her anyways most likely I'll get off take of his bridle and tell him to go for it, good luck :P Don't want to separate or isolate him from other horses completely because that will cause frustration and an unhappy stallion. What I see most of the time is stallions in stalls their whole life alone and when they get taken out and the act "crazy" people blame the stallion for acting that way. But then you have some stallions that can stand being alone so in the end to me it all depends on the horse and the situation.
     
    01-22-2012, 12:18 PM
  #33
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Originally Posted by Cintillate    
Yes that does make sense.


Haha, I have been around my horse and the 12hh guy has a huge voice compared to the larger horses I have seen. Guess he wants to be heard or is compensating. ^^ I

I think you missed my point of view. I was saying it was interesting on how people have different takes on stallions. Some people think they shouldn't be in the area, others love them and are comfortable with them. People are entitled to their views and I like reading it, widens my own.

That kind of neigh I don't tolerate. It depends on the situation and the horse to me. If I am with other people I don't risk my horse doing what he wants he has to obey me and he knows that and I will correct him. If I'm riding with others everyone's safety first. I understand it may be going against his nature a bit but it isn't an excuse but I don't blame or hold it against him.

But what I do with my stallion and mare is different and not saying anyone has to. My mare and stallion are together as much as possible even with a foal so he gets close to a natural life. When we ride even if she is in heat he knows what to do and what not. But I understand what he wants and what he goes against in order to listen to me. Stallions are made for breeding by nature and in the wild they will fight other stallions. Of course I won't let him fight, I don't care if he wants to or not, he can't. If he wants to neigh at her fine. She can neigh back, usually she completely ignores him. Poor guy. But I don't let it interfere with what we are doing unless I say ok, I just don't mind the noise. If she is interested and I plan on breeding her anyways most likely I'll get off take of his bridle and tell him to go for it, good luck :P Don't want to separate or isolate him from other horses completely because that will cause frustration and an unhappy stallion. What I see most of the time is stallions in stalls their whole life alone and when they get taken out and the act "crazy" people blame the stallion for acting that way. But then you have some stallions that can stand being alone so in the end to me it all depends on the horse and the situation.
I require a little more from my stallions. We only breed at certain times during the year so that the foals are born early (as close to Jan 1 as possible without any oooops's)and the rest of the year, we're riding for fun or out showing. Once show season starts, I expect his attention to be on me 100% of the time that I'm around interacting with him. If he's out in his yard, then he can do as he pleases but if I'm grooming, working or even talking to him elsewhere, he needs to focus on me. No excuses, no slack.

Having had a stallion who was never taught not to bellow, I started from an early age with my guys. "Shhht, no talking" and they understand. I have one, who is a bit of a smart alec who will keep absolutely silent as we walk down the barn aisle past the mares. He bridles up a bit and steps a little higher but not a sound. As we get outside the barn doors he stops and gives a teeeeeeny weeeeeny little , "HMMPH", just enough that I know that he knows he was a very good boy but still doesn't think a whole lot of it. Happens every single time, so I know it's not random, LOL!
     
    01-22-2012, 12:32 PM
  #34
Foal
Ok, starting at an early age. I've never thought of that. I never told him not to be vocal haha probably why he is very vocal. I wouldn't say he makes sounds all the time. Just the once in a while really loud one. I don't know if my younger one was trained differently as I got him when he was 3 but he makes noise more often but not loud.

I wonder how different the breeding seasons are. Maybe not that different but we only have the wet and dry season. Seems to me the foals are born in the dry season usually. Lately the there isn't a huge difference in the seasons and it has been more balanced. Unlike previous to 2005 Dry season meant no rain at all for about 6 months and everything was dying then when wet season came it poured.
     
    01-22-2012, 12:47 PM
  #35
Trained
One stallion I had could be in the arena 5 acres away from us in the house and still scream loud enough to make you grind your teeth. My husband HATED that horse just because of all his bellowing. Good thing he was only a boarder, when he left I decided if I ever had a stallion I'd teach him not to scream. It's much more peaceful and like one poster said, they seem to always cut loose with a big one, right in your ear. It can be downright painful.

We have things at shows called Futurities, competitions for young horses. So, since they start as weanlings, being born as close to Jan 1 as possible is the goal. All horses here age 1 year on Jan 1, so the horse born on Dec. 17, turns 1 year old on the first of Jan, even though he's only a couple weeks old he's considered a yearling. The horse born on Jan 2 who turns 1 on the following Jan 1, is now actually 1 year old. So, my first futurity for my weanlings is in September and my horses born in late Jan or early Feb, will have size and maturity over horses that were born in say, May or June. By the 2nd year, they've all pretty much caught up to each other so it no longer is an advantage but that first couple of years it can make quite a difference.

If I weren't breeding for futurities, I'd breed in April, May, June to have the babies born during the nicest part of the year. Having them born in Jan/Feb means having to heat the barn most years (might not this year, it's going to be 65 F today, not cold at all) and blanketing the foals a lot.
     
    01-22-2012, 01:03 PM
  #36
Foal
Wow, that loud? Ok...I think mine has met his match, he will be sorry to hear that he has been out neighed. I could understand having a lot of stallions around screaming all over the place would not be music. We have about 5 in the area. It is pretty quiet. But there is one across the river that kept getting loose at night somehow and it would fight with another stallion or maybe it was a mare pulverizing him anyway they were pretty loud.

Horse competitions are scarce here. I haven't been to many so my knowledge on that is very low. Most of the horses here are use for getting around and are farm horses.
     

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