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post #31 of 33 Old 06-14-2013, 01:00 PM
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Please reread my responses on what a helper should be. Thy are not there to be a hitching post. Each person has to work as a team and be on the same page. Thy must each know their place and their job. One person is just an extension of the other person, just like your Handy Stick is an extension of your arm.

You make very valid points. I respect and understand your position. Just because we disagree does not mean you are right and I am wrong, and vice versa. We just do things differently.
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The suggestion to use a helper I saw more as something to help the OP, the human, rather than to train the horse.

The girl needs to train her horse, yes, but she needs to learn how to do that. So, if a human steps in and works WITH her, showing her how to do it, this could work. Of course, the helper can show how to do things right by modeling the behavior, without the girl herself actually touching the rope or horse or hose.
But, it's also possible for a helper or trainer to come in , stand next to the pupil and help them hold a rope or literally grab their arm and show them how to maneuver a whip or a rope, or how to walk a nice small circle or whatever.

I have worked with a trainer that will do this. I may be working in the round pen, or lunging and she wants to show me some certain thing that I just can't seem to get by listening to verbal explanations. so, she stepped in, kind of grabbed my shoulders and "walked" me around. this was to help ME, so that I could learn to eventually help the horse.
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A knowledgeable horse handler would not help with this situation. They'd either stay out of the way and do nothing, or they'd do it, and ask the owner to stay out of the way.

What you are suggesting is a great way to get hurt. The beginners can not learn if they do not have the facts about basic horsemanship. It is obvious you lack the basics of horsemanship, and to promote and suggest others follow poor horsemanship is dangerous and irresponsible. These horses are many times larger and stronger than we mere humans, BUT, we humans have the advantage, if we out think them, and understand the basics of horse behavior.
I may not have 65 years of experience working with horses, but I assure you I don't lack the basics of horsemanship.

People need to learn the basics, yes- not everybody can do that on their own, and like ANYTHING in this industry there is no one right way. Someone with experience may be able to tackle this issue on their own, others might need a hand and guidance. Asking for help, having an experienced handler is NOT poor horsemanship just because it isn't the way you would do things.
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