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    11-13-2011, 09:15 PM
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Foal
Would I learn more from riding a green horse or one with more experience?

I'm looking to start leasing and have been thinking about my options. I've been riding most of my life with the exception of a small hiatus during college. Most of my experience is with trail riding, although I have a good foundation with jumping and equitation. I've had a few jobs where my focus was to ride just to keep the horses exercised and fit with very little emphasis on true training. Aside from lessons as a kid, I've only been taking real lessons for maybe a year now and am actually interested in learning the correct way of doing things and improving my overall skill

I'm perfectly capable of dealing with young horses and I love the challenge and rewards of seeing progress but I'm wondering if I would learn more during my lessons if I lease a more knowledgeable horse who can actually teach me things. Of course I'm asking because I do have both options right now
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    11-13-2011, 09:45 PM
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Weanling
Take the one that already knows it. I was in your position 6 yrs back and let my trainers talk me into selling my young horse and getting a finished horse. I had started many horses over my life time but was moving into AQHA showing and it was amazing how much that horse has and still teaching me. When I did something right I knew it was right. I did not have to wonder if it was that the horse just did not understand what I was wanting. I was worried about being Bord on a finished horse. HA HA HA You know when your horse knows what to do there is so much more to do. I have been refining myself and working on upping the degree of difficulty. So my vote is for the finished horse.
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    11-13-2011, 09:50 PM
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Trained
If you're going to lease and not be training your own horse, I'd go for finished. To me it's a big waste of money to train someone else's horse for them and not get to keep them. With the finished horse, especially if it's proven as a National Champ or something along those lines, you know that you can pretty much concentrate on getting YOUR riding and eq better and not worry about the horse so much. Much better investment that way, I think.
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    11-13-2011, 09:52 PM
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Yearling
Go with a more experienced horse and seek tips/tricks/lessons from a more experienced horse friend. After all the horse can't TELL you what he can do

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    11-13-2011, 09:53 PM
  #5
Showing
I have a green horse (not by choice) and we're learning things together but I think if you have a finished horse, they definitely boost your confidence and help you become a better rider and you learn a lot from what they have learned over the years.

If you are a beginner then obviously a greenie might not be right for you.. but they aren't bad just challenging.
     
    11-13-2011, 10:22 PM
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Foal
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
I'd go for finished. To me it's a big waste of money to train someone else's horse for them and not get to keep them. .
This is an interesting point! I hadn't thought about it like that, but I'd be paying to train someone's horse...not very cost effective lol
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    11-13-2011, 10:24 PM
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Trained
Absolutely go for the finished horse. I firmly believe that as riders we need to learn ourselves before trying to teach our horse. How are we supposed to know how to give a clear aid and understand the response we are looking for, if we haven't ridden that exercise correctly ourselves?
I try to get rides on horses trained above my own level as often as possible to improve my riding. For example, my coaches FEI dressage horse won't give a flying change or half pass, unless the rider has set him up perfectly with half halts, correct bend and flexion etc. So when you get the movement on him, you know your aids were applied correctly. On a green horse, they will often try it even with poor aids bit will perform that exercise poorly as they are confused as to what you are asking.
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    11-13-2011, 10:55 PM
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Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
Absolutely go for the finished horse. I firmly believe that as riders we need to learn ourselves before trying to teach our horse. How are we supposed to know how to give a clear aid and understand the response we are looking for, if we haven't ridden that exercise correctly ourselves?
I try to get rides on horses trained above my own level as often as possible to improve my riding. For example, my coaches FEI dressage horse won't give a flying change or half pass, unless the rider has set him up perfectly with half halts, correct bend and flexion etc. So when you get the movement on him, you know your aids were applied correctly. On a green horse, they will often try it even with poor aids bit will perform that exercise poorly as they are confused as to what you are asking.
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I totaly agree. This is a problem I am having with one lady I am teaching at the moment. Her horse is very green and she has never ridden a horse that knew how to go correctly.
I can get beautiful work from this little mare but I know what I'm looking for and how to ask for it correctly. She has never felt true self carriage, heck she has never even felt a horse go forwards properly (bane of my life at the moment is trying to get her to understand the difference between forwards and fast!), trying to explain how it should feel is very very difficult. Unfortunatly I do not have a schoolmaster at the moment (my one and only rideable horse being a just broken 4 yr old with a track record of trying to kill me) and this lady cannot afford a lesson on the level of horse she needs to sit on!

I'd go for the schoolmaster everytime, you can learn so much from them, I learnt more from one lesson on an advanced dressage horse then I did in a year of lessons on my own horse (who was well schooled but no where near advanced dressage)
     
    11-13-2011, 11:07 PM
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Showing
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Originally Posted by Kayty    
I firmly believe that as riders we need to learn ourselves before trying to teach our horse. How are we supposed to know how to give a clear aid and understand the response we are looking for, if we haven't ridden that exercise correctly ourselves?
I learn together with my horses, and we started Aug of last year knowing absolutely nothing about the dressage and correct riding (yes, I never felt riding on a contact or horse coming round under me ). Not advocating for this road, just saying it's possible in principle, and besides I have no other choice with one of them.

With that being said if you HAVE a choice of leasing/buying trained horse vs green one and you don't have an experience and you know you want one trained in specific discipline, I'd go with the trained one. It's much easy to learn (and make mistakes) on horse that knows the job. I'm taking jumping lessons at the moment (in addition to my dressage lessons), and I use BTDT lesson horse until I have more solid seat/leg over the jump.
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    11-14-2011, 03:06 AM
  #10
Trained
Val, absolutely you can learn on a green horse too, I have done that for most of my riding career. But as Faye also experienced, I learned so much more in one lesson on an FEI horse, than I have in months on a green horse. And when I went back to green horses after riding more experienced horses, I was able to get them progressing 10 fold faster than what I had before.
When you're trying to discover how to get a horse through the rein, on a horse that has no idea itself, it's **** hard, you don't know exactly when to put an aid on or take it off. But getting the feel on a more experienced horse, you can go back to your green horse and apply that concept to get a better result.
After getting a good feel on an experienced horse, you will be a far more effective rider and trainer as you know exactly what you are aiming for with your green horse, where as if you never ride an experienced horse, you are forever sort of floundering your way through training not exactly knowing or understanding where you need to be and what feel you need at that point in training.
     

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