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        12-13-2012, 12:16 AM
      #41
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    Originally Posted by TexasBlaze    
    trot. Actually if I trot her into a rollback she trots out of it, however with an impressive speed increase. To the point where I've had people ask me where I found a gaited mare.
    Lol, a Quarter Horse that thinks she's a twh, huh?

    I'd stop her immediately, back her up, and do it again, untill she got it right .. But I would first work on going in at a walk, stopping completely, then do a rollback, stop, back her, wait, then ealk out.. That's just to break it down for her, and to slow her roll.

    ** I would pause a few seconds before asking each individual command.
         
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        12-13-2012, 12:19 AM
      #42
    Yearling
    Ill definitally give it a try next time I ride her. Cannot be tomorrow as im getting my associates of agribusiness tomorrow and apparently its an all day thing.
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        12-13-2012, 12:28 AM
      #43
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    Ill definitally give it a try next time I ride her. Cannot be tomorrow as im getting my associates of agribusiness tomorrow and apparently its an all day thing.
    Sweet. Let me know how it goes. :)
         
        12-13-2012, 02:09 AM
      #44
    Trained
    I'm not saying bolting out of the rollback is acceptable I'm saying that barrel horses and powerhouses and many of them try to do it, especially when trained incorrectly to be one as I suspect the OP's horse was.

    Personally I don't think any of us are in a position to criticize Sherry at all or any professional barrel racer as they are at a much higher caliber than any of us here. I'm curious to know which runs you are seeing where she has wide barrels? If you're referring to the NFR, that ground is AWFUL, we can't judge off that. Everyone is having that issue.

    I think at this point the OP needs to start over on this horse's foundation in general. Relaxed, shutting down, chilling out, then work up. The question was if the trainer could help; And I believe strongly that they can.
         
        12-13-2012, 02:52 AM
      #45
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    Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
    I'm not saying bolting out of the rollback is acceptable I'm saying that barrel horses and powerhouses and many of them try to do it, especially when trained incorrectly to be one as I suspect the OP's horse was.

    Personally I don't think any of us are in a position to criticize Sherry at all or any professional barrel racer as they are at a much higher caliber than any of us here. I'm curious to know which runs you are seeing where she has wide barrels? If you're referring to the NFR, that ground is AWFUL, we can't judge off that. Everyone is having that issue.

    I think at this point the OP needs to start over on this horse's foundation in general. Relaxed, shutting down, chilling out, then work up. The question was if the trainer could help; And I believe strongly that they can.
    I agree with you. I was only giving suggestions to for her to slow the horse down, and to be able to have more controll over the horse, by breaking down the steps, in order to make the horse less ready to bolt off, after the rollbacks, and to have better stopping controll. I think, the one rein stop is acceptable in an Emergency situation, but unacceptable for getting the horse to stop all the time.

    Lol, Hey, I'm no Pro barrel racer, but Every video, and every time I've seen her race, she always runs wide. She actually tightened up around the first barrel this year.. I like her, my favorite rider in the nfr. Her horse "stingray" is so much smaller than most of the other girl's horses.. With that said.. I just feel like, If you're going to be telling people how to race barrels, you should be able to race well in any arena, and in any situation.. That's why I said I'd rather get tips from charmaine james, who has 11 world wins, and In my opinion, is a much better rider, all around.. Not to be offensive.

    I agree with you there, but I also believe this is nothing the rider themself can't fix.. Plus, why have someone else train YOUR barrel horse. I never knew a good barrel racer who would let anyone ride their horse on the barrel pattern.
         
        12-13-2012, 02:59 AM
      #46
    Trained
    Either way implying Sherry Cervi can't train a barrel horse or isn't fit to give advice is a very bold statement, particular from any of us here on the forum. Charmayne has had her own issues as well. I apologize but I do find it very disrespectful to her that you are suggesting that. She has had many a great NFR horse.

    In regard to the last little section you wrote - Reining. Foundation. Those are my two words. Every horse I've ever had has been started as a reiner. The OP wants to send her horse to reining training and I think that is the best idea at the moment. We aren't talking about training a barrel horse...We're talking about fixing a ruined ex-barrel horse. There is nothing shameful or wrong with getting a trainer to put time on your horse if you are not comfortable doing it. I have spent my entire life with the same trainer who still will help me with my colts should the need arise or if I get too overwhelmed with my finished horses to work with them. As for not letting anyone else ride them...Wow, you see pros that swap barrel horses out all the time. Share horses, borrow horses if they need to, etc.
         
        12-13-2012, 03:22 AM
      #47
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    Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
    Either way implying Sherry Cervi can't train a barrel horse or isn't fit to give advice is a very bold statement, particular from any of us here on the forum. Charmayne has had her own issues as well. I apologize but I do find it very disrespectful to her that you are suggesting that. She has had many a great NFR horse.

    In regard to the last little section you wrote - Reining. Foundation. Those are my two words. Every horse I've ever had has been started as a reiner. The OP wants to send her horse to reining training and I think that is the best idea at the moment. We aren't talking about training a barrel horse...We're talking about fixing a ruined ex-barrel horse. There is nothing shameful or wrong with getting a trainer to put time on your horse if you are not comfortable doing it. I have spent my entire life with the same trainer who still will help me with my colts should the need arise or if I get too overwhelmed with my finished horses to work with them. As for not letting anyone else ride them...Wow, you see pros that swap barrel horses out all the time. Share horses, borrow horses if they need to, etc.
    I never said she "wasn't fit to train horses" I simply stated, I'd rather have tips from Charmain. Sure, she has won a few times, but 11 times is better. That's all.

    Oh my, I never said it was "shameful" geez.. I just said it was an easy fix. A horse is only hot, because it has poor training, and it is fixable.. In my opinion, a well trained horse should not get hot doing rollbacks, of all things.. lol, Where are the Pros at local shows, though?.. How does that even apply here?.. I know a few people that have let someone use their horse, and when they got it back, they were knocking over every barrel is all.
    I mean, I wouldn't let someone borrow my winning Horse, my back up horse sure, that makes more sense.
         
        12-13-2012, 03:31 AM
      #48
    Trained
    Then what exactly was the point of saying that if you weren't trying to tell me that the video I posted from Sherry wasn't credible...? I don't understand where you were going with that then. Sherry isn't just a "few time" winner. She's won a LOT. So have many other racers. And all are credible.

    You said you never knew a good barrel racer who would let someone else on their horse. I gave examples of people who do. I don't understand why it matters if it's local or not. If a girl in my association needed a horse I would give her one to run, either my finished mare or one of my colts.

    I do not believe this horse is going to be an easy fix. A ruined barrel horse is NEVER going to be an easy fix. I have dealt with a LOT of those with very similar problems. Plus, we are not just talking about stopping. The OP said she wanted to show in reining. Therefore she should have a reining trainer. And "rollback of all things"? I don't understand that either. A rollback is a maneuver that is notorious for making horses hot. It just is. Especially horses like the OPs horse who are already hot. Obviously relaxation (Like what Sherry was talking about) is the end goal, but repeatedly turning a hot horse into the fence is just going to stress them out even more if you are not careful. You are right. A well trained horse should not get crazy during rollbacks. However we are not dealing with a finished horse here.
         
        12-13-2012, 03:44 AM
      #49
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    Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
    Then what exactly was the point of saying that if you weren't trying to tell me that the video I posted from Sherry wasn't credible...? I don't understand where you were going with that then. Sherry isn't just a "few time" winner. She's won a LOT. So have many other racers. And all are credible.
    Not going to lie, I don't know what you're even talking about, since I can't watch the videos from this site on my phone, so no.. Not what you're thinking at all.. Nor did I say that even, lol. Chill out, dewd.



    You said you never knew a good barrel racer who would let someone else on their horse. I gave examples of people who do. I don't understand why it matters if it's local or not. If a girl in my association needed a horse I would give her one to run, either my finished mare or one of my colts.
    Okay, have you ever won a saddle?.. Would you give your friend THAT horse?..Come on now.. If I'm going to let anyone ride the horse that I worked so hard training, that is a proven winner, you better be an equally good rider, and be credible (having won a few times on a horse that YOU trained) for me to just let you run my horse.. Not to be rude, but who would?.. seriously.




    I do not believe this horse is going to be an easy fix. A ruined barrel horse is NEVER going to be an easy fix. I have dealt with a LOT of those with very similar problems. Plus, we are not just talking about stopping. The OP said she wanted to show in reining. Therefore she should have a reining trainer. And "rollback of all things"? I don't understand that either. A rollback is a maneuver that is notorious for making horses hot. It just is. Especially horses like the OPs horse who are already hot. Obviously relaxation (Like what Sherry was talking about) is the end goal, but repeatedly turning a hot horse into the fence is just going to stress them out even more if you are not careful. You are right. A well trained horse should not get crazy during rollbacks. However we are not dealing with a finished horse here.
    Did I say it was going to be easy?.. I know, I would like to have the satisfaction, and feel the great accomplishment to have fixed my horse myself.. okay.. I wasn't talking about getting a reining trainer for reining like, ever.. I suggested how to fix her horse bolting on the rollback.(once again, I couldn't watch the viddie, so I have no idea what you're going on about) I told her how to break the steps down, to keep the horse from bolting on her, that is all. I never said to keep turning them into any fence.. Where are you getting this stuff? Lol.. I'm getting the feeling, you just want to argue over nonsense things that I never even said.. Maybe, you should go back, and read what I typed again.. She wanted a fix for a hot bolting horse.. I suggested one, that works..
         
        12-13-2012, 04:20 AM
      #50
    Trained
    Okay starting from the top down.

    If you have no idea what I'm talking about, and haven't watched the video what is the point of even bringing Sherry or Charmayne into it? I really don't understand what you are trying to prove by saying any of that, particularly when you didn't watch the video I posted in the first place.

    I have actually won saddles. The horses I have won them on have reached the point where anyone could send them in and they would compensate. I understand you want the self pride and possessiveness but I'm just saying if I knew someone who needed a horse I would do all in my power to make sure they had one. Pro rodeo racers do it all the time. I do not see anything wrong with it. I obviously am not going to send a kid in on an inexperienced or hard to ride horse, but I haul around with enough horses that I can find SOMETHING for them to get on. My mare right now I would not hesitate to put anyone on. However the mare I ran most of last winter I would not have lent out because as talented as she was and as incredible of a barrel horse as she was, she was not experienced enough to be sent in with someone who did not know her. It's all about knowing your horse and what they can handle and knowing the person you are letting use them. I do not see a problem with it and am not sure why you do.

    You actually did say it would be an easy fix, on the rollbacks, which was what I was talking about and saying we shouldn't even be doing them at this stage anyway until this horse gets fixed. "Oh my, I never said it was "shameful" geez.. I just said it was an easy fix."

    Turning into the fence is a rollback. That is what we are talking about. We are talking about turning the horse into the fence like a barrel racing style rollback. Most of them are trained to fire like a rocket out of those rollbacks. We aren't talking about a reining rollback where we slide, and THEN turn. This is just run and turn, no stop, in case there was confusion. So, THAT'S where I'm getting "this stuff" as you put it.

    I actually read everything you said. I'm just saying I don't think the OP needs to be doing these rollbacks and I don't think the conclusions you have reached will benefit the OP's horse, in my experience working with very similar badly trained barrel horse. The one rein stop exercise I mentioned earlier is a Clinton Anderson method used on an OTTB who had the tendency to speed up. You cruise and make that the "chill" spot. They speed up you shut them down with the one rein stop, make them sit, then let them cruise again. A horse who wants to go forward will always choose the cruise option. They don't know going faster is bad. They don't know that yet and that is why that exercise exists. Rollbacks to make the horse slow down is what we need to avoid, because it will just make things worse (You did not suggest that, someone else did, which is why I addressed it in the first place and following that you said they shouldn't get hot on rollbacks. So, I explained farther)

    Also by telling me I need to "chill" I believe you are reading my posts out of the tone they are intended. I have been calm this entire conversation.
         

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