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    01-31-2012, 10:33 PM
Originally Posted by 3Barrels    
Sorry for the confusion! Yes, by O-ring I ment loose ring, down here that's what everyone calls them, or just general "snaffle" means one aswell. Basically what Sorrelhorse posted, but without the fancy colors. :) (Though I do admit I like them too!)

I think you've misunderstood me on a few things. I did not try him in a hackamore because I believe bits are harsh, I just knew he was responsive to nose pressure on the ground, so I suggested to my sister (my equivalent to a trainer, she trains horses for a living) that we try one just to see how responsive he would be, which he responded tons better to.
I'll probably try backing after each session, like you suggested, and working with him in the snaffle on the ground aswell. I still may try the sidepull (Not a mechanical hackamore) for him to get used to my leg pressure in the saddle, as I imagine that would make it easier if I try to ride him in the snaffle someday.

All around horse is what I'm thinking for him, if he takes to barrels, he may someday replace my gelding. I do think I'll try a sidepull on him, though. Do you think this would work? Mustang Nylon Side Pull - Horse.com
I'm not really familiar with that particular sidepull. I bought one from my tack shop, has a nylon cover over the rawhide part. I can see the noseband rubbing and causing sores if you're not careful.
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    01-31-2012, 10:49 PM
Hi 3 barrels and welcome to the forum.i train professionally for a living too,and some colts I start in a sidepull,and move them on to a copper mouth o-ring or d-ring when I have a little more of a handle on them.
    01-31-2012, 11:36 PM
3barrels, one question I had; when is the last time that his teeth were checked? Even 3 is not too young to need a visit by the dentist to have his bite corrected. Also, there are some horses that really don't like the single jointed bit and prefer something like a double jointed (french link) or a myler type of snaffle with the barrel over the joint. Others do well with some kind of ported bit. That's one of the reasons why it's never a bad idea to have a wide selection of different types of bits .

I rode a pony that acted much like your horse sounds. He was in a regular loose ring snaffle and he was always fussing with it; fighting to get his tongue over it then fighting to get his tongue back under it then fighting to get his tongue over it, etc, etc, etc constantly. After 4 or 5 rides with him doing that, I bumped him up to a ported bit (using the snaffle rings) and after the first few minutes, he was much happier and much more responsive.

All that being said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with riding him in a sidepull, it would be a good choice for someone with the desire to go bitless. I would go with either a double rope noseband or a leather noseband as the single rope ones can be rather harsh.
    01-31-2012, 11:45 PM
Single rope nosebands are only harsh if you use them harsh.
    02-01-2012, 12:08 AM
Rob - Hence why smrobs said "can be harsh"
    02-01-2012, 12:24 AM
Nothing pointed towards smrobs sorrelhorse,just stating that any training tool can be harsh if used improperly,and I believe that's what smrobs was stating.
    02-01-2012, 12:29 AM
Yes and no. The single rope is harsher than the double rope or the leather if used the exact same way. Therefore, you have to be more careful with the single rope and that is why I suggested the double rope or the leather .
    02-01-2012, 12:34 AM
My coming 3yo HATED the single joint loose ring snaffle I had him in at first. He'd play with it, wouldn't respond very well to it and was constantly trying to evade it.

So, I changed to a loose ring french link (three piece) snaffle. The difference was night and day. He stopped playing with the bit, started responding really well and didn't try to evade anymore.

When he outgrew the loose ring french link (as in literally got too big for it lol), I found a nice eggbutt french link in the size he needed to try out. He's even better in the eggbutt french link than he was in the loose ring!

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is maybe it's just the single joint on the snaffle you have that he doesn't like. Honestly, I'd try him in a french link before I put him in a sidepull. Like christopher said, if he's going to be in a bit long-term, every hour spent using a sidepull is an hour he could have been learning to be nice and supple in a bit.
    02-01-2012, 12:34 AM
Smrobs,do you feel like you can get the same response with a leather as you do a single rope?
    02-01-2012, 01:56 AM
Probably, but then again, pain is not a big part of my training methods.

I don't automatically start with the harshest option possible. I don't start horses in a twisted snaffle and I wouldn't start a young horse in a single rope nose.

But maybe that's just me.
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