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    05-18-2011, 01:37 PM
  #1
Weanling
Question Would you disipline a rearer by hitting on the poll?

Hey guys

I want to start this thread by saying that this is HYPOTHETICAL. I do NOT have rearing horse on my hands and I am NOT considering using this or any kind of punishment on my horses.

That said, I was talking to a girl that used to ride my horse for me a long time ago. I was comparing my horses current behaviour to the way they used to be. I mentioned that as the horse in question was a youngster when I got him, I am glad I never had any major problems with him, like rearing.

She told me he had reared with her once and she had brought her whip down on his poll, and that he had never reared since.

I'm shocked I wasn't told about this. I have to admit it was news to me. Apparently she forgot to mention it. It was a long time ago, I'm letting it slide. She hasn't ridden my horse for years.

So I was aware of this as a method of punishing a rearer, but I admit I hadn't given it much thought until it became related to my own horse. I can't imagine it being a practise I would ever use, whether my horse was rearing or not.

So I'm just wondering whether the experienced of you feel this to be a valid tactic and whether you have ever used it? I'm not here to make judgements or attack anyone. I genuinely would just like to hear some informed opinions from you guys.

Thanks if you contribute!
     
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    05-18-2011, 01:46 PM
  #2
Green Broke
I would and I have used this method. They say that it makes them think they hit there head. Some people use eggs but I have no cluehow they would get an egg up there. It's hard enough to get the crop up there.
     
    05-18-2011, 01:56 PM
  #3
Green Broke
Many people use this method with great success. An arabian farm around me uses wiffleball bats when they have a problem rearer.

IMO there are different reasons horses rear, some are being naughty, some are confused and trapped, etc etc. The only time I would use this method is if I have a naughty horse that is a problem rearer. There are other ways to correct rearing, this would be more of a last resort for me.

There certainly is a line to be crossed with this type of correction. Certainly a person actually hurting the horse using say a hammer or something :roll: would be considered abuse. But when used correctly it can be very effective.
     
    05-18-2011, 02:06 PM
  #4
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by .Delete.    
Many people use this method with great success. An arabian farm around me uses wiffleball bats when they have a problem rearer.

IMO there are different reasons horses rear, some are being naughty, some are confused and trapped, etc etc. The only time I would use this method is if I have a naughty horse that is a problem rearer. There are other ways to correct rearing, this would be more of a last resort for me.

There certainly is a line to be crossed with this type of correction. Certainly a person actually hurting the horse using say a hammer or something :roll: would be considered abuse. But when used correctly it can be very effective.
true true. The only time I have ever used it was on a pushy mare that was alowed to get what she wanted by scaring her owner. It only took one time being bopped on the head to not do it again.
     
    05-18-2011, 02:06 PM
  #5
Weanling
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Originally Posted by myhorsesonador    
Some people use eggs but I have no cluehow they would get an egg up there. It's hard enough to get the crop up there.
Eggs? Weird. I don't suppose anyone knows why someone would use eggs rather than a crop or whatever?

TBH it never struck me as something I thought sounded abusive or wrong, I was more shocked she never told me my horse had reared! But I have heard people say they think it's really bad. I just wanted a bit more info.

.Delete. I appreciate your point that it does depend on the object/amount of force used.

I imagine a crop would be effective, but unlikely to harm the horse though
     
    05-18-2011, 02:06 PM
  #6
Started
I have seen trainers use a water balloon.. Once you hit the horse with it, they think they have hit their heads and are bleeding. He says it works wonders.
I don't have a clue, I won't own a horse that rears, but that is just me.
     
    05-18-2011, 02:08 PM
  #7
Weanling
I have tried it with my horse (bought as a problem rearer). She would rear whenever she decided she didin't want to move forward anymore. Hitting her poll seemed to make her angry. I accidentally discovered her fix. I was riding bareback because I did not want to get hung up in the saddle If she went over... She went up, I slid off her bum, and reflex held on to the reins... And that pulled her over backwards. She never did it again... I would never want to re-create the scenario for training on another horse though... I'm lucky I didn't get squished. I would do anything that might work to stop a horse from rearing up in defiance, even if it seemed harsh, It is dangerous to the Horse and rider.
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    05-18-2011, 02:11 PM
  #8
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by SkyeAngel    
Eggs? Weird. I don't suppose anyone knows why someone would use eggs rather than a crop or whatever?
well the egg could be debated on for hours. So could the crop for that matter. It would depend on how smart you really think horses are or would it be dumb?

Crop = Hit head on some thing
Egg = Busted head open.
     
    05-18-2011, 02:11 PM
  #9
Green Broke
I have found flipping a horse over is more effective then smacking a horse on the poll. But that's just me
     
    05-18-2011, 02:14 PM
  #10
Super Moderator
NO! I would not (and never have) used this method to punish a rearing horse. I will not even get on a horse that I know has reared with someone.

Rearing is ALWAYS the fault of the rider or a previous rider. Horses do not rear unless a rider has either put a horse in a bind or let the horse lose forward impulsion.

I will NEVER put myself in a position where a horse might rear over on me -- particularly since I have personally known of two people that were killed by horses that reared and fell over on top of them -- knew the one man well. A person might have 10 horses that quit rearing from being hit over the head and then run into one that flips up-side-down when he is hit. I just will not take the chance.

Since horses that rear have lost forward impulsion, I just go back to ground driving and spank their butts when they stall out or try to turn around. I drive them forward and make them back up several time. I make them go over and through things they do not like or places they do not want to go. When I can drive them anywhere, I can ride them safely and they will quickly respond to a rider making them go forward.
     

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