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  • Training smooth transitions walk to lope

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    02-09-2008, 10:30 AM
WP/all-around training help

Hi guys - I have 10yo AQHA gelding that I am currently training myself. He had a good solid foundation in WP as a 3yo then I decided I preferred another horse that we also bred, so this guy was turned into a rope horse/general ranch horse. I was horseless so decided to pick this guy up again about 1 1/2mo ago. I am aiming towards showing him in some buckskin shows this june or later, and maybe starting back up into QH, but I'm not sure he's of high enough quality. I had a friend make some videos of us yesterday and saw some problems and wondered if anybody had any suggestions on how to correct them (the last time I rode a western horse was when this guy was a 3yo stud colt - I've been riding English horses that would do horsemanship and western riding, but no true western horses).

Here is his jog (sorry for the bad camera work on this one - can see him pretty good at about :30 and after). I noticed that he is not really up under himself enough at the jog and needs a little more cadence. He is slow enough and has a nice head set, but needs to be more rounded. Any ideas on how to get this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1jid6F_SiE

Extended jog - pretty happy here. It is pretty conservative as he has a hard time extending out and not speeding his cadence up. As he gets more comfortable I would like to extend him out a bit more. Any more suggestsions? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCGP-dacOM8&feature=user

Lope - this has improved dramatically from where he was but still needs lots of help. I like where he is at with his hind end, still needs more roundness through his body and dropping his head down at the withers, not in the middle of his neck. He needs a lot of work with consistency as he goes in and out of the lope alot. Still working on walk - lope transitions. When he gets those nicely his lope afterwards is better. Any ideas? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zDjw7S232c&feature=user

Here is one of him spinning. I'm pretty good on what to do to improve this, but am still open for suggestions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhh3pw5BVXQ&feature=user

Here is one on the flat for HUS and one over a couple of low jumps - I pretty much know his limitations here and how to improve him, but thought I would include them so you could see the overall horse and soembody might have a suggestions that I didn't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhh3pw5BVXQ&feature=user http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKAXyEzy6vw&feature=user

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    02-09-2008, 11:24 AM
Is he the horse in your avatar?

I don't know much about western, but I thought his extended jog and lope good good. And it looks like he's understanding the spinning.

Wish I could help you out more.
    02-09-2008, 11:26 AM
Nope, different horse - they are out of the same dam, different stud though. Thanks for the comments.
    02-09-2008, 02:05 PM
I don't know much about WP, sorry :(

However, for the jumping - make sure you guys work on getting your distances to the jump. The video was a little shakey so I only watched the first 2 jumps, but he "chipped" the second jump. You need to find the "box" in front of the jump so you don't take off too far away nor too close. It's not too bad when you're at this small height, but when you move up you can't be chipping your fences. It's something to work on :) and it will take time but you seem like a good rider and I'm sure you'll sort it out
    02-09-2008, 04:38 PM
Yeah, I got that fixed on the second pass (the chipping). It is supossed to be a 6 stride line, and for some reason about 1/3 way down I thought that he wasn't moving out enough so I pushed him, and not enough room to get a full 6th stride in. Sorry about the vid - it was on my digital camera that is meant for still photos and the lady working it just didn't quite know how to run the thing. Thanks for looking and the suggestions, though.
    02-09-2008, 10:18 PM
Green Broke
He really wants to please and that's a good thing!! He'll do good because he's relaxed and so collected. It seems like he might stop a little much on his front half, but nothing really bad. The spins could use some work, but enless you plan on showing him in reining then it's really not a skill you need WP is judged on the horses ability to perform on a loose lead, ease of transitions, and horsemanship. All you really need to be able to do is have smooth transitions at the walk, jog, lope, stop and reverse as well as turns and all that. I think you two will do great.
    02-09-2008, 11:11 PM
The trot looks decent but you'll have to watch him in the back, he tends to slow in the back. The lope- has a good transition, but when your holding him down and back before he hits the lope, right when he goes up to lope, drop your reins and this will smooth him out more. When loping, work on giving more rein, in pleasure your goin to want a straighter neck instead of the bowed one he has when your holding him. Also, roll ur spurs a bit under him and he'll lift up his mid.
Hope this helps
    02-09-2008, 11:31 PM
The first jog...I don't even think I would consider it a jog, he seemed a little too slow for my liking.

The extended jog...was a great regular jog and I liked it.

The lope...he has a good looking lope and you have great position.

The spinning...he looks good besides the fact that he hops - or favors a foot, almost like he's tripping.

The jumping...looks good, lol.
    02-09-2008, 11:33 PM
I actually like the head tilting in and that's how I taught Blu to carry his head...for the most part.
    02-10-2008, 08:29 PM
Originally Posted by BluMagic
I actually like the head tilting in and that's how I taught Blu to carry his head...for the most part.
some people like it but not for WP. Its unnatural and that's what judges are looking for is a natural head position

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