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    02-22-2012, 08:53 PM
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Foal
Yearling filly strikes....any suggestions?

Have a yearling filly (8 mths technically) who has been pushy since birth. Started kicking her mother on same day as born to stand still so she could nurse, not a love tap either, this was a full out kick whenever mom didn't want to co-operate. Main issue: she strikes when frustrated (not a new behavior), will strike when asked to stand still too long (only talking maybe 10 seconds being asked to stand), has struck me when in stall filling water bucket, will rear and strike when corrected to not strike and she means to do it with gusto. Don't want to turn her out with our other filly because I am afraid she will hurt her and learn to be even more dominant. She has had a fair amount of handiling, not quite as much as our other yearlings, has been easy to lead etc. Striking seems to be her first instinct when she is frustrated and you really have to mind her all the time and watch for the front feet. Anyone had any issues like this and how did you correct it? Only thing I have noticed different from her to our other babies is she always stayed with mom walking in and out of barn for turn out and did not like to stray at all when she got older as they usually do.
     
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    02-22-2012, 08:58 PM
  #2
Trained
I'd carry a dressage whip with me and whenever the thought even crossed her mind, I'd whack her with it...On the leg that she is striking with. Then make her backup or do a bunch of circles.

Although if your not quick or she tries testing you more, you could get seriously hurt. I've dealt with this and it's hard to break but you need to be more dominant then her. If your having a real difficult time, I suggest getting professional help with her. She's going to turn into a nasty mare if this isn't dealt with soon. She's only getting bigger.
     
    02-22-2012, 09:06 PM
  #3
Foal
Trainer does deal with her (and she is very experienced), whip on leg does not work, makes her worse. She is bred from difficult blood, not our choice was a rescue mare but mare was only maybe 6 mths along when we got her. This line is usually hot blooded and not mature until later in life.
     
    02-22-2012, 09:09 PM
  #4
Green Broke
Honestly, throwing your hands up and saying that it is "just the lines" is enabling the behavior and doing the filly no favors.
Since you say there is a trainer involved, what has been done with this filly so far (not talking about addressing this issue, talking training in general).
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    02-22-2012, 09:23 PM
  #5
Foal
Not throwing my hands up, just informing that the line has been and is hard to deal with, some very difficult but talented horses over many years of breeding have come from it. She has been halter broke, leads, gets plenty of turn-out, has been vaccinated and wormed, brushed, hosed off in summer when hot, seen farrier, been trimmed, etc. Don't plan on doing any type of "real" training until she is at least two and her joints are more developed and can handle the demands of training.
     
    02-22-2012, 09:29 PM
  #6
Trained
My yearling tried picking up a back leg to kick out once when I put a hose on him. He copped a very fast, very rude shock when he got belted across the backside with a dressage whip and made to run backwards faster than he thought possible. That was 5 months ago, and he hasn't even thought about it since. I just need to growl and make him move away, and he will stand stock still and behave for me.

Small corrections to certain behaviours may work on some horses, but others (most) will need to have a very strong lesson before they click that that behaviour is unacceptable.
Striking, to me, is one of the most undesirable behaviours a horse can have, it is just so dangerous, you NEED to get on top of it asap. Not a little tap on the leg for striking, but a good whack across the chest. If you leave a mark, don't feel guilty. I'll probably get hammered for saying that by the Parelli and 'friendship training' supporters, but I would sure as hell rather give one quick, MEANINGFUL whack across the chest than get my leg snapped in half or an organ ruptured from getting taken out by a striking hoof.
At the moment, it sounds like she thinks you're not serious. She needs to know, in no uncertain terms, that you will not tolerate the striking. If she tried to do the same to a horse more dominant than herself, in the paddock, I can assure you that she would be kicked or bitten to kingdom come and would be thinking twice about pulling the same trick next time.
     
    02-22-2012, 09:41 PM
  #7
Foal
Tried that with force, doesn't work, as said she will rear and strike, not just strike. Thinking maybe she does need to be turned out with someone older and more dominant but don't want her to get hurt either. Anyone ever try anything that makes noise?
     
    02-22-2012, 09:51 PM
  #8
Trained
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Originally Posted by julia1986    
Don't plan on doing any type of "real" training until she is at least two and her joints are more developed and can handle the demands of training.
Well I wouldn't worry about it then because by the time you're ready to "train" her she'll have probably killed or crippled you. That may sound pretty hrash but it's **** sure the truth. At eight months it should be pretty easy to correct and if your trainer can't get it done then you better find one that can. If whacking her on the leg makes her worse then you definitely shouldn't back off. I would get her on a lead and teach her to move away from me and I would do whatever I had to do to get her to move away. I don't like whacking on the leg. I would whack her on the face and make HER move her feet. If you rub her after the whack then she won't get headshy and even if she does you have bigger problems than headshyness.
     
    02-22-2012, 09:52 PM
  #9
Trained
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Originally Posted by julia1986    
Tried that with force, doesn't work, as said she will rear and strike, not just strike. Thinking maybe she does need to be turned out with someone older and more dominant but don't want her to get hurt either. Anyone ever try anything that makes noise?
Why wouldn't she rear and strike? You've trained her that if she rears you'll quit hitting her and leave her alone.
     
    02-22-2012, 09:53 PM
  #10
Yearling
Try with force again, and when she rears and strikes whack her again... Kayty is absolutely right - meet her force with a bigger force and mean it. Our mare and gelding are turned out with my yearling (very late yearling, so only 7 months old) all day, and when she gets too big for her britches, they both will charge her with teeth bared, and spin to give her a kick - we as puny humans can't come close to delivering the "lessons" a yearling gets from the big horses.

My then 6 month old filly struck out at me (out of fear when I first brought her home) and I whacked her with the lead rope across her leg and yelled LOUDLY "OT OT OT!"

She reared up and struck again and I ran her backwards yelling and popping her until she got back on all fours - then I immediately backed off and gave her that release from all pressure, telling her softly she was a good girl. Then we worked on walk - whoa - back for a few minutes and ended on a good note. That was the one and only time she has ever tried to strike.

I also bring our baby in every night for her feeding, and after she eats she gets tied in her stall briefly and I groom her from head to toe, pick up and tap her feet, lead her up and down the barn aisle working on walk, whoa and back verbal cues, and desensitization with towels, clippers, jackets, etc... I find that as she gains confidence she has fewer and fewer minutes where it looks like she may be thinking about being naughty...

Maybe your filly just lacks confidence and needs more opportunities to gain it?
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