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post #1 of 15 Old 12-19-2013, 09:30 PM Thread Starter
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Unhappy young gelding has become a problem need advice

Ok, so long story short I agreed to part boarding a 6 year old canadian sport horse (tb/percheron) last may and he was great! never had a problem with him even took him on hacks bareback. however as it got colder and I got busy with school I told the owner (who doesn't ride so I was the only one riding him) that I was no longer going to be part boarding so a month after that she asked me if I wanted to ride him no fee just ride him I of course said yes cause he was my baby. Turns out the owner had not been out to see him for about a month so without knowing this I got there and noticed that he was biting a lot not in a mean way but he'd just grab my sleeve pull a little then let go so I assumed it was playfulness. So turns out he's a complete mess, bites constantly tries to run through his bit (which he never did in the summer) bucking rearing and everything else so I let his owner know she assured me that she would be going out and working with him but that I was also more than welcome to ride whenever I please so I went out today and he's worse than ever. couldn't even mount him he will not stand will not do anything but bite constantly (doesn't actually bite my skin just my sleeves) so from this point I'm not sure how to move forward with him. I'm so frustrated that she has done this to such a beautiful horse and I am determined to work him through it I just need some advice on where to start.
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post #2 of 15 Old 12-19-2013, 10:52 PM
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Honestly, since it's not your horse and he is now a risk to your safety, I'd stop riding him. It's not your responsibity to keep him in shape and trained, that's the owners responsibility. It's not worth your safety to ride him.

By part boarding did you mean half leasing? If so I'd get out.
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post #3 of 15 Old 12-19-2013, 11:27 PM Thread Starter
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Um it's a hard thing to title I call it part boarding but I was the only one riding him. I don't want to give up on him, I know how good he can be and I know he will work out of this he just needs the attention he deserves.
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Like I said, it's not worth risking your safety. I've been in a very similar situation before and ended up hurt. This horse isn't your responsibility. Since it's not yours, you wouldn't be giving up on him.
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post #5 of 15 Old 12-19-2013, 11:41 PM
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I appreciate that you want to stick with him but I think you really need to ask yourself this question; is it worth it to spend all that time working on his training and risking injury to yourself when you will likely never see the fruits of your labor? I mean, you can spend months and months working on getting him trained up really nice...for free...only to have the owner sell him out from under you and make money off the training you put on him.

If you consider the risk worth it for the experience alone, then that's your choice but you're basically being a volunteer horse trainer for her. Other folks who do what you are talking about doing get paid for it.

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It is a friend that owns him and I know she has no intentions of selling anyway I like the experience with him. I do think about the fact that it may be dangerous but there are very few times I feel that he is actually at the level of being dangerous.
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Is this horse stalled or penned up? You could see a lot of improvement with more exercise and a LOT less feed. This can sure be a product of too little exercise and too much feed.

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^^ This, and CONSISTENT discipline. I would bet that the owner lets him get away with everything, so no matter what you do, she will send your efforts backward when she shows up. Unless the two of you are able to both work together on this it is an effort in futility for you I am afraid. You may not think she has intentions of selling, but stuff happens,
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post #9 of 15 Old 12-20-2013, 07:58 AM
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If the weather is colder, that could be part of the problem.

And the fact that you are letting him bite at your sleeve, makes me wonder if your handling of him has not contributed to this.

Owner may be at fault to a degree but if you are not correcting what he is doing, part of this in on you then.

Leave horse alone would be the best thing.
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Whatever you allow is what you are 'training' him to do. You must be very strict 100% of the time. The worst behavior you allow is the very best behavior you can expect to get from any interaction with him. This is true of everything you do with or around any horse. Horses are creatures of habit. When bad behavior is accepted, it become the norm -- it becomes a habit and is repeated over and over. He is looking at you like a herd-mate on an equal with him. He is 'playing' with you like he would another young gelding in a herd. Just watch them play sometimes and you will see this behavior as well as pawing at each other and rearing up and 'boxing'. Then, they drop to their knees and keep biting at each other. If you do not straighten him out quickly, the 'play' will get a LOT rougher.

I disagree that he will be bad toward you if his owner keeps letting him act this way. I have been in several of these situations where I repeatedly had to 'straighten out' horses that owners kept allowing to go downhill. It was not very long until every time I got near them, they did absolutely nothing wrong. The second the owner handled them without me there, they just ran all over them. I could show up and say "Ah!" and they instantly straightened up.

This is a classic case of a 'pecking order'! Like I have said many times -- "Each horse/horse or horse/person pecking order is simply a pecking order between those two individuals and nothing more." You can be the herd leader and be well above him in the pecking order while the owner can be at the bottom of 'his' pecking order.

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