Originally Posted by Spirithorse
i find it hard with the approach and retreat thing mainly because she is not spooky or a horse that shys at anything. she was shown the jumps before hand and she was perfectly comfortable and at ease. head down, snorting at the jumps. i dont have a whole lot to approach or retreat from. nothing is scaring her as she is always so relaxed and i cant feel any tension through her back to indicate the she is having issues. if she clears the first one she would be fine. on the times where she clears the first jump ok she continues on quite normally. its only coming up to that first one. but why does she also do it when cantering along a path she knows to be her 'run spot'. going one way she is fine, the other way she weaves all over the place.
Just because she doesn't spook or shy on the ground does not mean she will be the same under saddle. A lot of horses are confident in their humans on the ground, but they lose that confidence when the rider gets on. Mainly, I believe, because the rider will push the horse through thresholds. Like a horse that balks on a trail ride. Usually people keep telling the horse to go, then start kicking them or trying to force them to go forward. This behavior from the person makes the horse feel unsafe and he loses confidence in the rider as his leader. But if you just allow the horse to stop and wait and assess the situation he will GAIN confidence in the rider because a good leader does not push the other party into a situation they precieve as dangerous. The zig zaging is an unconfidence issue, or it's a physical issue. Those are the only 2 possibilities I think it could be. I still stick by my original post....maybe try it.....you don't have anything to lose.
i just want to make it clear that i am not one of those people you are talking about. i am gentle and never push my horses. she never loses any confidence in me when i get on except this one thing. even when i push her to come back over when she moves from the line, it is all gentle and not all about MAKING her do it, more just asking her.
i certainly never kick her, she only needs gentle aids. im not completely clueless when it comes to dealing with horses.
and yes, i allow horses that are feeling unsure of where they are going, the time to check it all out and feel comfy with it. you dont have horses for so many years without learning the basics.
i understand what you are saying and as per my previous post, i will continue with the on ground methods. however, i am going to incorporate some stuff i have learnt from others along with the on the ground thing and see how we go.
sorry if i sounded narky i just dont like it being insinuated that i push my horses past their threshold etc i know its hard to judge through a computer screen and because you dont know me but, i am probably the person that babys her horses too much sometimes lol
what i meant about the approach retreat thing was she is soooo calm with everything until you line that jump up. i know she is only learning, hence the tiny jumps and trotting poles but it seems odd to have such a strong reaction to it all thats why i thought as i originally said, the it was a confidence issue as well. i have also had her checked physically and there is nothing wrong with her in that regard.
i think im gunna take a bit of everything from everyone, including myself, i nut this all out. my and my hubby have been running her over the jumps a couple times a day. she has been doing ok at that so i will give it a week or so and try the saddle again. i am going to try the backing over the poles thing to. she backs up easier than she goes forward sometimes lol
thanks for the help. a lot of it i did already know but it never hurts to have it drummed in a little lol :)