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    12-12-2007, 08:00 PM
~!!!VERY Stubborn Stud!!!~

O.K here it goes. Can you train a stallion to be ridden once he's 14 and not gelded??? My brother thinks so but its not working out. It's not the best circumstances either. He's a 16.3 big heavy black VERY HOT TEMPERED X-racehorse. He lets you touch him but when it comes to training he will try to K-I-L-L! I told my brother it's not going to happen the day he got the saddle on and got half way on when he took off galloping top speed ears back and my brother got dragged about 20 feet before sliding into mud and getting loose, breaking his leg, but he has his heart set on it. If any one knows anything about this, reasons, or anything that could help train'im!! Thanks!
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    12-12-2007, 08:18 PM
Well I can tell you this, you or your brother DO NOT need to be handling that stallion! I'm not saying that to be mean, but stallions can be very dangerous and only peole who really know what their doing should handle them. You REALLY need a professional's help. I would suggest looking into having a Parelli Professional help you. What state do you live in?
    12-12-2007, 08:21 PM
Theres nothing speacial about a stallion.

You can train them to do anything there just horses.
    12-12-2007, 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by horse_luver4e
theres nothing speacial about a stallion.

You can train them to do anything there just horses.
I beg to differ. Yes they are horses, but they have a completely different mindset from a gelding or a mare, especially one that has been used for breeding. I know that stallions can be trained to be absolutely awesome horses, especially if they are started young, but when you start them when they are older it can be very difficult. All they think about is being the leader and getting as many mares as they can :roll: typical . You have to be very careful with a stallion. Yes you can train them to do anything, but they are also very special in the way you have to handle and train them.

It sounds like your stallion doesn't want to submit to a leader and that is completely understandable. He hasn't had to listen to anybody for at least ten years and now you punny little people want to tell him what to do, I don't think so! He was ridden in races? That could be another source of your problem. Race horses aren't always treated kindly, maybe there is something from his racing days that he isn't willing to forgive or forget. I'd say you probably can train him, but it takes a very experienced trainer and a LOT of time. And, please try to convince your brother of this before he gets even more seriously injured. But if he still insists at least convince him to do a lot more groundwork before trying to get on him again. Horses are very dangerous animals when they want to be. Please be careful :(
    12-12-2007, 08:51 PM
Horsemanship might help to show him that evry thing is alright . He seems a little panicy and maybe very stallionish!
You could try a lesson w/ a person that's good at horsemanship depending on where you live. Where do you live??? Maybe I could help find sum1 or you could try it urself
    12-12-2007, 08:53 PM
Opps Im sry I see were you live but in wut area cus my mum is good at that natural stuff ??? Just a suggestion :roll: :roll:
    12-12-2007, 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by horse_luver4e
theres nothing speacial about a stallion.

You can train them to do anything there just horses.
I totally agree! It really does depend on what experience you and your brother have as to wether or not you will be able to train this stubborn fella! I do however believe that stallions once they have been let go for a while can certainly be more difficult than a mare or gelding to rope back in but IMO it is achievable!

Have you or he broken any horses before?? What sort of riding are you trying to break him for?? Have you already done all the ground work (bagging, mouthing, driving etc) Do you use him as a Stud horse or is gelding an option??

Sorry for the 20 Q's but I am new so I don't know anyone yet
    12-12-2007, 09:04 PM
Woah, I like to think of stallions like teenage boys that can't handle there testosterone. (did I spell that right?)

Good Luck, I would recommend buying the Parelli Level one kit, AND have a professional Instructor help you on this one.
    12-12-2007, 09:41 PM
Barnrat - LOVE YOUR AVATAR!!!! It looks like your boy is doing the talking!! Hehehehehe
    12-12-2007, 11:58 PM
Originally Posted by horse_luver4e
theres nothing speacial about a stallion.

You can train them to do anything there just horses.
While stallions can be trained to act just like any other horse, there is in fact something very special about them between their back legs. Their hormones drive them to do things that if unchecked/untrained can be very dangerous for their handler, people around them, and horses around them. If this stallion has not been ridden or handled regularly (except for breeding), he is likely a huge case of worst case scenario when it comes to stallions - he likely fits the stereotypes that stallions are given in the first place (the stereotype I have been working hard with my stallion-successfully- to get people away from thinking).

First of all, if no one is planning on breeding him any longer, geld him! That might help with some of the issues. BUT, from the post, it sounded like more of a case of an un-broke (nearly?) ex-race horse reacting than a stallion reacting. This horse ran away rather than striking, biting, rearing, kicking, etc.

I agree that this horse sounds like a case for a very good, very highly qualified professional. I am pretty comfortable starting horses and working many different horses, but I would be uncomfortable working with the horse described here . He is big, explosive, and untrained at 14 years old. My point being, he will be a challenge that takes great care, and will require just the right PROFESSIONAL trainer. The last thing you want is a person who thinks they are a trainer (despite how much experience they might have) trying to "break" this horse, and end up getting hurt or hurting the horse.

Also, it wasn't described in the post, but I got the impression that your brother did minimal prep before trying to get on him?? Sorry if that is not true, just the impression I got. A horse his age with his issues and inexperience would do best with a LOT of prep work from the ground over a LONG period of time. AND, if I were to back him, I would do it in a round pen or small arena after I knew him very very well from the ground, and he respected me thoroughly from the ground. I would have spent a lot of time sacking him out as well.

If you and your brother have little experience with inexperienced horses, I would let a professional help you out for sure. This reminds me of the real life version of the movie Flicka where the girl worked with the wild horse for a few hours and then tried to ride her (obviously it is not your situation exactly). Of course in real life people can get really hurt. Your brother is lucky he wasn't hurt more badly. That movie scene bothered me because it romanticized the idea of inexperienced people breaking powerful, wild horses - Dangerous! Sorry about that soap box - good luck to you guys, I hope that your brother eventually gets his dream of riding this horse...just get help and be patient.

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